Boot loader help. Multi boot Installation problems

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  1. Pablo

    Pablo Guest

    Hello to everyone.

    I have a Pentium III Dell box running @ 600 Mhz and 384 MB Ram.

    I have recently bought a 160 Gb disc which i partitioned in 2. One for
    Windows XP Pro (Local Disk E 120 Gigs) and the second one for W2003
    Standard(Local Disk F 36 gigs).

    For study purposes i need to have both OS's installed, but here is the
    problem. I Installed XP first (in english) and then installed Server 2003
    standard (in english as well), the problem is that installation stalls, the
    files needed for installation copies, but when the system restarts to begin
    the real installation process the screen goes black, nothing happens, the
    multi system menu appears with both systems XP and Server 2003 Standard
    select but a black screen follows.

    Looking for startup options I remember that Boot Loader file (right click my
    pc, advanced, Setup and recovery Settings, then select edit to see the boot
    loader file) appears like this:

    [boot loader]
    timeout=1
    default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
    [operating systems]
    multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows Server 2003, Standard"
    /fastdetect
    multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
    Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect

    I have installed Server 2003 on the C Local disk, is it possible and correct
    to tell the
    boot loader to look for startup files in that partition instead of F?. What
    should i type or change in that file? Or maybe the boot loader file is wrong
    configured?

    Thanks very much!

    Regards

    Pablo
     
    Pablo, Jul 22, 2006
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  2. Pablo

    Dave Patrick Guest

    I would have thought the first OS (XP) would have the drive letter "C"

    The boot.ini you posted tells us that Windows XP is installed on the first
    partition of disk 0 and that 2003 is installed on the second partition of
    the same disk.

    rdisk(0)partition(1)
    rdisk(0)partition(2)

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    "Pablo"wrote:
    | Hello to everyone.
    |
    | I have a Pentium III Dell box running @ 600 Mhz and 384 MB Ram.
    |
    | I have recently bought a 160 Gb disc which i partitioned in 2. One for
    | Windows XP Pro (Local Disk E 120 Gigs) and the second one for W2003
    | Standard(Local Disk F 36 gigs).
    |
    | For study purposes i need to have both OS's installed, but here is the
    | problem. I Installed XP first (in english) and then installed Server 2003
    | standard (in english as well), the problem is that installation stalls,
    the
    | files needed for installation copies, but when the system restarts to
    begin
    | the real installation process the screen goes black, nothing happens, the
    | multi system menu appears with both systems XP and Server 2003 Standard
    | select but a black screen follows.
    |
    | Looking for startup options I remember that Boot Loader file (right click
    my
    | pc, advanced, Setup and recovery Settings, then select edit to see the
    boot
    | loader file) appears like this:
    |
    | [boot loader]
    | timeout=1
    | default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
    | [operating systems]
    | multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows Server 2003,
    Standard"
    | /fastdetect
    | multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
    | Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
    |
    | I have installed Server 2003 on the C Local disk, is it possible and
    correct
    | to tell the
    | boot loader to look for startup files in that partition instead of F?.
    What
    | should i type or change in that file? Or maybe the boot loader file is
    wrong
    | configured?
    |
    | Thanks very much!
    |
    | Regards
    |
    | Pablo
    |
     
    Dave Patrick, Jul 22, 2006
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  3. This is very confusing. Do you have a second HD in this machine - rdisk(1)?
    How are you reading this boot.ini file if "the multi system menu appears
    with both systems XP and Server 2003 Standard select but a black screen
    follows"?

    Doug Sherman
    MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP
     
    Doug Sherman [MVP], Jul 22, 2006
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  4. Pablo

    Dave Patrick Guest

    Now you're confusing me. Where are you getting rdisk(1)? The OP is starting
    up XP to view boot.ini

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    :
    | This is very confusing. Do you have a second HD in this machine -
    rdisk(1)?
    | How are you reading this boot.ini file if "the multi system menu appears
    | with both systems XP and Server 2003 Standard select but a black screen
    | follows"?
    |
    | Doug Sherman
    | MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP
     
    Dave Patrick, Jul 22, 2006
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  5. I know. I'm just wondering how you can have a HD with two partitions
    somehow called E: and F: and then in the end "installed Server 2003 on the C
    Local disk." Maybe 2 HDs, or1 HD with 3 partitions, or 1 HD with one
    primary and one extended partition where the extended partition has 2
    logical drives? Dunno - but if I'm confused, I want to make sure everyone
    else is too.

    Doug Sherman
    MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP
     
    Doug Sherman [MVP], Jul 22, 2006
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  6. Pablo

    Dave Patrick Guest

    Yes, I also didn't get that. I think the OP just doesn't understand how
    windows assigns drive letters but remains to be seen.

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    :
    |I know. I'm just wondering how you can have a HD with two partitions
    | somehow called E: and F: and then in the end "installed Server 2003 on the
    C
    | Local disk." Maybe 2 HDs, or1 HD with 3 partitions, or 1 HD with one
    | primary and one extended partition where the extended partition has 2
    | logical drives? Dunno - but if I'm confused, I want to make sure everyone
    | else is too.
    |
    | Doug Sherman
    | MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP
     
    Dave Patrick, Jul 22, 2006
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  7. Pablo

    Pablo Guest

    Hello Dave and Doug,

    Thank you very much for the replies.
    I will try to clarify the confussion.

    I have 2 hard drives on my pc.
    Following my BIOS table:

    #1. IDE O is the 160 gigs hard drive.
    #2. IDE 1 is the 6 Gigs hard drive

    The 160 gigs has 2 logical partitions, Logical drive 1 "Local Disk E" equals
    to 117 GB has Windows XP Pro installed and running.

    Logical Drive 2 "Local Disk F" Equals to 35,4 Gigs. Is the target partition
    where i want to install the Server 2003.

    Now, maybe i am getting a bad reading but if the IDE O is the 160 Gigs can't
    be E and F drives am I right? Since the master drive (I have not jumpered the
    drive) is the 160 one.

    Now the 6 gigs does not have any partition, is a Windows Server 2003 disk
    right now. The boot loader file was read from E. partition disk (which has
    XP installed)

    I hope this clarifies the confussion, thank you very much.

    P.
     
    Pablo, Jul 23, 2006
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  8. Pablo

    Dave Patrick Guest

    The system partition is the first primary active partition (where the boot
    sector resides) and usually gets the drive letter C This can't be on a
    logical drive in an extended partition. Maybe that helps.

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    :
    | Hello Dave and Doug,
    |
    | Thank you very much for the replies.
    | I will try to clarify the confussion.
    |
    | I have 2 hard drives on my pc.
    | Following my BIOS table:
    |
    | #1. IDE O is the 160 gigs hard drive.
    | #2. IDE 1 is the 6 Gigs hard drive
    |
    | The 160 gigs has 2 logical partitions, Logical drive 1 "Local Disk E"
    equals
    | to 117 GB has Windows XP Pro installed and running.
    |
    | Logical Drive 2 "Local Disk F" Equals to 35,4 Gigs. Is the target
    partition
    | where i want to install the Server 2003.
    |
    | Now, maybe i am getting a bad reading but if the IDE O is the 160 Gigs
    can't
    | be E and F drives am I right? Since the master drive (I have not jumpered
    the
    | drive) is the 160 one.
    |
    | Now the 6 gigs does not have any partition, is a Windows Server 2003 disk
    | right now. The boot loader file was read from E. partition disk (which
    has
    | XP installed)
    |
    | I hope this clarifies the confussion, thank you very much.
    |
    | P.
     
    Dave Patrick, Jul 23, 2006
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  9. Pablo

    Pablo Guest

    Thanks Dave.

    So should I remove the Server 2003 partition (C:) and try again?

    Regards

    P.
     
    Pablo, Jul 23, 2006
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  10. Pablo

    Dave Patrick Guest

    It's not clear what you started with and what you're trying to accomplish.
    It appears you may have done some disk swapping. If you want XP and 2003
    installed on the 160 gB disk then I would remove the 6 gB disk temporarily.
    Then to install XP;

    To do a clean install, boot the Windows XP install CD-Rom. Setup inspects
    your computer's hardware configuration and then begins to install the Setup
    and driver files. When the Windows XP Professional screen appears, press
    ENTER to set up Windows XP Professional.

    (Note: If your drive controller is not natively supported then you'll want
    to boot the Windows XP CD-Rom. Then *F6* very early and very important (at
    setup is inspecting your system) in the setup to prevent drive controller
    detection, and select S to specify additional drivers. Then later you'll be
    prompted to insert the manufacturer supplied Windows XP driver for your
    drive controller in drive "A")

    Read the license agreement, and then press the F8 key to accept the terms of
    the license agreement and continue the installation.

    When the Windows XP Professional Setup screen appears, all the existing
    partitions and the unpartitioned spaces are listed for each physical hard
    disk. Use the ARROW keys to select the partitions Press D to delete an
    existing partition, If you press D to delete an existing partition, you must
    then press L (or press ENTER, and then press L if it is the System
    partition) to confirm that you want to delete the partition. Repeat this
    step for each of the existing partitions When all the partitions are deleted
    press F3 to exit setup, (to avoid unexpected drive letter assignments with
    your new install) then restart the pc then when you get to this point in
    setup again select the unpartitioned space, and then press C to create a new
    partition and specify the size (if required). Windows will by default use
    all available space so choose a reasonable size for XP (say 15 or 20 gB)

    Be sure to apply SP2 or at least these two below to your new install before
    connecting to any network. Internet included. (sasser, msblast)
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...be-3b8e-4f30-8245-9e368d3cdb5a&displaylang=en

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-043.mspx
    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-049.mspx

    Once XP is installed you can install 2003 by following the same steps and
    choosing to install to the unallocated space on 160 gB drive again choosing
    a reasonable size for 2003

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    :
    | Thanks Dave.
    |
    | So should I remove the Server 2003 partition (C:) and try again?
    |
    | Regards
    |
    | P.
     
    Dave Patrick, Jul 23, 2006
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  11. Pablo

    Pablo Guest

    Thanks David I will do that...

    regards. And thank you again.

    Pablo

     
    Pablo, Jul 23, 2006
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  12. Pablo

    Dave Patrick Guest

    You're welcome.

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    :
    | Thanks David I will do that...
    |
    | regards. And thank you again.
    |
    | Pablo
     
    Dave Patrick, Jul 23, 2006
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  13. Pablo

    Pablo Guest

    Hello Dave.

    I have followed your instructions, a new problem have came present:

    As soon as the Windows Server 2003 installation restarts my computer to
    begin the process there is a message telling me that could not start windows
    because the file NTOSKRNL.EXE is missHello Dave.

    I have followed your instructions, a new problem have came present:

    As soon as the Windows Server 2003 installation restarts my computer to
    begin the process there is a message telling me that could not start windows
    because the file NTOSKRNL.EXE is missing or damaged, suggests to reinstall
    that file, my question is where should i reinstall it? in C partition (XP) or
    E partition (WinServer 2003)? Should i download it from microsoft? Please let
    me know. Thank you.

    regards

    P.
    ing or damaged, suggests to reinstall that file, my question is where should
    i reinstall it? in C partition (XP) or E partition (WinServer 2003)? Should i
    download it from microsoft? Please let me know. Thank you.

    regards

    P.
     
    Pablo, Jul 23, 2006
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  14. Pablo

    Dave Patrick Guest

    Can you start XP? If so post the contents of boot.ini

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    :
    | Hello Dave.
    |
    | I have followed your instructions, a new problem have came present:
    |
    | As soon as the Windows Server 2003 installation restarts my computer to
    | begin the process there is a message telling me that could not start
    windows
    | because the file NTOSKRNL.EXE is missHello Dave.
    |
    | I have followed your instructions, a new problem have came present:
    |
    | As soon as the Windows Server 2003 installation restarts my computer to
    | begin the process there is a message telling me that could not start
    windows
    | because the file NTOSKRNL.EXE is missing or damaged, suggests to reinstall
    | that file, my question is where should i reinstall it? in C partition (XP)
    or
    | E partition (WinServer 2003)? Should i download it from microsoft? Please
    let
    | me know. Thank you.
    |
    | regards
    |
    | P.
    | ing or damaged, suggests to reinstall that file, my question is where
    should
    | i reinstall it? in C partition (XP) or E partition (WinServer 2003)?
    Should i
    | download it from microsoft? Please let me know. Thank you.
    |
    | regards
     
    Dave Patrick, Jul 24, 2006
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  15. Pablo

    Pablo Guest

    Hi Dave, yes, the XP partition is working, actually i am using right now. But
    I have to select it manually in the boot process, as you can see Win Server
    2003 is configured as "fast detect" I am copying boot.ini file:

    [boot loader]
    timeout=1
    default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
    [operating systems]
    multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows Server 2003, Standard"
    /fastdetect
    multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
    Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect

    where is the error? Why it asks for the NTOSKRNL.EXE file? I am using a
    Microsoft Windows Server 2003 180 days evaluation copy which came with a book.

    Regards and thanks!

    P.
     
    Pablo, Jul 24, 2006
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  16. Pablo

    Dave Patrick Guest

    What drive controller are you using?

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    :
    | Hi Dave, yes, the XP partition is working, actually i am using right now.
    But
    | I have to select it manually in the boot process, as you can see Win
    Server
    | 2003 is configured as "fast detect" I am copying boot.ini file:
    |
    | [boot loader]
    | timeout=1
    | default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
    | [operating systems]
    | multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows Server 2003,
    Standard"
    | /fastdetect
    | multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
    | Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
     
    Dave Patrick, Jul 24, 2006
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  17. Pablo

    Pablo Guest

    Hello

    I am using a MAXTOR 6L160P0 (160 Gigs) hard drive. Its controller is:
    5.1.2535.0 (Microsoft)

    As an IDE controller: PCI Intel 82371AB/EB. Version 5.1.2600.2180

    Should I select F6 when the CD installation begins? I have never selected
    that because the hard drive is listed.

    Regards

    P.
     
    Pablo, Jul 24, 2006
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  18. Pablo

    Dave Patrick Guest

    No, you should be OK with the standard IDE controller. This problem is
    usually boot.ini pointed to the wrong (or non-existent) windows folder.

    You might start the 2003 recovery console and from the command line issue
    the commands;

    fixboot
    bootcfg /rebuild

    To start the Recovery Console, start the computer from the Windows 2003
    CD-Rom. At the "Welcome to Setup" screen. Press F10 or R to repair a Windows
    2003 installation, and then press C to use the Recovery Console. The
    Recovery Console then prompts you for the administrator password. If you do
    not have the correct password, Recovery Console does not allow access to the
    computer. If an incorrect password is entered three times, the Recovery
    Console quits and restarts the computer. Note If the registry is corrupted
    or missing or no valid installations are found, the Recovery Console starts
    in the root of the startup volume without requiring a password. You cannot
    access any folders, but you can carry out commands such as chkdsk, fixboot,
    and fixmbr for limited disk repairs. Once the password has been validated,
    you have full access to the Recovery Console, but limited access to the hard
    disk. You can only access the following folders on your computer: drive
    root, %systemroot% or %windir%


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    :
    | Hello
    |
    | I am using a MAXTOR 6L160P0 (160 Gigs) hard drive. Its controller is:
    | 5.1.2535.0 (Microsoft)
    |
    | As an IDE controller: PCI Intel 82371AB/EB. Version 5.1.2600.2180
    |
    | Should I select F6 when the CD installation begins? I have never selected
    | that because the hard drive is listed.
    |
    | Regards
    |
    | P.
     
    Dave Patrick, Jul 24, 2006
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  19. Pablo

    Pablo Guest

    Dave thanks again.

    There must be something wrong with my PC, i dont know if could be the BIOS
    version?

    I followed the instructions and did not work, the details i will write them
    later.

    What if i install Server 2003 before XP Professional?

    Regards

    P.
     
    Pablo, Jul 24, 2006
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  20. Pablo

    Dave Patrick Guest

    If you install XP last then the boot sector is overwritten with an XP
    version so you'll need to follow the same steps to repair the 2003 boot
    sector. Always best to install OS's sequentially; oldest to newest.

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    :
    | Dave thanks again.
    |
    | There must be something wrong with my PC, i dont know if could be the BIOS
    | version?
    |
    | I followed the instructions and did not work, the details i will write
    them
    | later.
    |
    | What if i install Server 2003 before XP Professional?
    |
    | Regards
    |
    | P.
     
    Dave Patrick, Jul 24, 2006
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