C drive running out of space

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Pradeep, Jul 20, 2008.

  1. Pradeep

    Pradeep Guest

    Hi,

    As described in the subject line, i am facing a c drive running out of space
    problem. The following are the details related to the same:

    OS : Windows Vista Home Premium
    SP: Service Pack 1 Installed
    Total hard disk capacity: 100GB
    C Drive: 20 GB
    D Drive: 80 GB

    I thought it could be because of the program files folder that i am facing
    the issue but found that its size is 2.43GB. All the other folders are less
    but windows folder is taking the maximum share i.e. 14 GB. All the programs i
    have installed in the PC, i have taken enough care to specify their
    installation path to drive D. Still i am facing this problem.

    Drive C has about 60 GB free space. Is there any tool using which i could
    delete the partition so that i can get rid of this problem. Any other
    suggestions are also welcome.

    Thanks in Advance.

    Pradeep
     
    Pradeep, Jul 20, 2008
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  2. Pradeep

    Nonny Guest

    You say your entire drive is 100GB, and C takes 20 of that and it's
    getting crowded.

    Then you say you have 60GB of free space on C.

    WHA??
     
    Nonny, Jul 20, 2008
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  3. Pradeep

    Pradeep Guest

    Iam sorry Nonny,

    I wanted to say that Drive D has 60 GB free space.

    Thanks,

    Pradeep
     
    Pradeep, Jul 20, 2008
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  4. Pradeep

    Nonny Guest

    You have your programs installed on D, so deleting it would cause you
    huge problems... right?

    You need to shrink D and give the open space to C. You will need a
    third-party partition manager to do that. If you think you'll never
    need such a thing again, you will need one that you can use on a trial
    basis that comes with no limitations.

    http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads-bootit-next-generation.htm

    It USED to come with no limitations. I used the registered version
    looooooong ago. Check it out.
     
    Nonny, Jul 20, 2008
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  5. Pradeep

    DL Guest

    Use a third party application, eg Partition Magic to combine what was D to
    C, thereby removing the D partition.
    Your drive is too small to bother about partitioning
     
    DL, Jul 20, 2008
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  6. If he simply does that, all his programs, which are installed on D:
    will fail to work, because they will be on C: and Windows expects to
    find them on D:

    He would also have to either try one of the programs that search out
    and try to change all those many references from D: to C:, or else
    uninstall, then reinstall the programs.

    My experience with programs that look for and change the references
    has been less than satisfactory, and I don't recommend them. The best
    way to do this is to uninstall and reinstall.

    His easiest course of action at this point, by far, would be to use a
    third-party program to make D: smaller and C: bigger. However, before
    using such a program and taking such a big step--either your way or
    mine--he should first be sure he has a current backup of anything he
    can't afford to lose. Although there's no reason to expect a problem,
    things *can* go wrong.

    By the way, Pradeep should note that programs should normally be
    installed on the same partition as \Windows. Although some people
    install them on a different partition because they think that they are
    protected there, and won't be lost if Windows ever has to be
    reinstalled, this is *not* correct. If Windows is reinstalled, all the
    many references to the program within it are lost. The programs (all
    except for an occasional small one) have to be reinstalled too.

    You can read my advice on partitioning in the article "Understanding
    Disk Partitioning" at
    http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Jul 20, 2008
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  7. Pradeep

    HappyAndyK Guest

    First of all try to 'free up some disk space
    (http://www.winvistaclub.com/t73.html)from your C Drive. Next you ma
    have to see if you can 'Extend the C partition
    (http://www.winvistaclub.com/t11.html) using Vista's Disk Managemen
    utility. You can not merge partitions in Vista with this Utility. Als
    note that you can extend only to the right; if you are desirous o
    extending the partition to the left, you may have to use a 3rd part
    utility, like Acronis.
     
    HappyAndyK, Jul 20, 2008
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  8. Pradeep

    SCSIraidGURU Guest

    Disable system restore. Vista needs 40GB + RAM size. For me it was
    56GB, 40GB + 16GB for Paging.


    --
    SCSIraidGURU

    Michael A. McKenney
    'www.SCSIraidGURU.com' (http://www.SCSIraidGURU.com)

    Supermicro X7DWA-N server board
    pair of Intel E5430 quad core 2.66 GHz Xeons
    16GB DDR667
    SAS RAID
    eVGA 8800 GTS 640 MB video card
     
    SCSIraidGURU, Jul 20, 2008
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  9. Pradeep

    MilesAhead Guest

    How much Ram do you have installed? I have 2 GB Ram and don't run a
    swap file. The only time I got a "low memory" error msg was because I
    kept trying to play a bad video file and without realizing it I had 1/2
    dozen copies of VLC Media Player running.

    If you must use swap, move it to D:
     
    MilesAhead, Jul 20, 2008
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  10. It's called the "page" file in Windows XP. Turning it off is a very
    bad thing to do, regardless of how much RAM you have. That's for two
    reasons:

    1. If you don't have a page file, you can't use all the RAM you have.
    That's because Windows preallocates virtual memory in anticipation of
    a possible need for it, even though that allocated virtual memory may
    never be used. Without a page file, that allocation has to be made in
    real memory, thus tying up that memory and preventing it from being
    used for any purpose.

    2. There is never a benefit in not having a page file. If it isn't
    needed, it won't be used. Don't confuse allocated memory with used
    memory.




    Assuming that D: is a second partition, that's also bad advice.
    Putting the Page File on a second partition is not a good idea, and
    can hurt your performance. What it does is move the page file to a
    location on the hard drive distant from the other frequently-used data
    on the drive. The result is that every time Windows needs to use the
    page file, the time to get to it and back from it is increased.

    Putting the page file on a second *physical* drive is a good idea,
    since it decreases head movement, but not to a second partition on a
    single drive. A good rule of thumb is that the page file should be on
    the most-used partition of the least-used physical drive. For almost
    everyone with a single drive, that's C:.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Jul 20, 2008
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  11. Pradeep

    MilesAhead Guest

    A swap file by any other name is virtual memory. To run out of dis
    space to support a swap file that isn't needed is insane

    If you have enough ram you don't need swap. Not everyone runs M
    Office apps
     
    MilesAhead, Jul 21, 2008
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  12. Pradeep

    SCSIraidGURU Guest

    I would put 128MB minimum and maximum paging file on C:. Move the res
    to D: 2GB minimum and maximum on D: . A small paging file on C: help
    with boot up

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    SCSIraidGUR

    Michael A. McKenney
    'www.SCSIraidGURU.com' (http://www.SCSIraidGURU.com)

    Supermicro X7DWA-N server board
    pair of Intel E5430 quad core 2.66 GHz Xeons
    16GB DDR667
    SAS RAID
    eVGA 8800 GTS 640 MB video card
     
    SCSIraidGURU, Jul 21, 2008
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  13. Pradeep

    Stewart Guest

    I have a similar problem, need to expand my C: while shrinking the D: on my
    new Vista (home edition) laptop.
    Did anyone try the software Nonny suggested on a Vista box?
    Any feedback will be appreciated.
     
    Stewart, Jul 25, 2008
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  14. Pradeep

    Nonny Guest

    It works. Definitely.

    Have you created a recovery DVD using your "D" partition files yet? If
    you don't, and you do what you want to do, you're gonna be up shit
    creek if you need to run a recovery because your "D" drive is used for
    that in the absence of a recovery DVD.
     
    Nonny, Jul 25, 2008
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  15. Pradeep

    Pradeep Guest

    Hello All,

    Thanks a lot for your suggestions. I have tried implementing different
    suggestions from everyone in this email thread but with little success. Steps
    which free up resources like the files used for revoking the Windows Vista
    SP1 did free up space but the same used to get filled in a couple of days or
    a week. To be frank i was not interested in using a third party tool either
    (i have seen people facing wierd problems after using 3rd party tools).

    Finally, i deleted all the partitions reformmatted the drive and now there
    is only one partition which is C. What is really strange is, i dont see any
    of the problems i had because of which "windows installer used to start when
    explorer is opened" and many such annoyances. I am really happy for having
    formatted the drives and followed the suggestions of Ken Blake, MVP where in
    i installed all the programs on the drive where windows folder exists (C).

    With this exercise, i understand that the manufacturer's (of the notebook, i
    use a notebook) drivers cause a lot of problems which we presume to be
    because of the OS or applications like office etc.

    I thank everyone in this chain a lot for their contributions.

    Thanks & Regards,

    Pradeep
     
    Pradeep, Jul 27, 2008
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  16. Pradeep

    Vulture Guest

    The issue may be related to an UNBOUNDED Maximum Shadow Copy size. To
    check the Shadow Copy size:
    1. Open a Command Prompt and run as Administrator.
    2. Type vssadmin List ShadowStorage
    3. Check the line Maximum Shadow Copy Storage Space to see if it is set
    to UNBOUNDED.
    If it is set to UNBOUNDED, do the following to give it a maximum size:
    4. Type: vssadmin Resize ShadowStorage /On=C: /For=C: /MaxSize=5GB
    5. You should see the message: Successfully resized the shadow copy
    storage association.
    6. Perform step 2 again and verify that the Maximum Shadow Copy Storage
    space is set to 5 GB.

    The user should see an immediate return of hard drive space.
     
    Vulture, Nov 20, 2008
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  17. Pradeep

    Vulture1340 Guest

    The issue may be related to an UNBOUNDED Maximum Shadow Copy size. T
    check the Shadow Copy size
    1. Open a Command Prompt and run as Administrator
    2. Type -vssadmin List ShadowStorage
    3. Check the line Maximum Shadow Copy Storage Space to see if it is se
    to UNBOUNDED
    If it is set to UNBOUNDED, do the following to give it a maximum size
    4. Type: -vssadmin Resize ShadowStorage /On=C: /For=C: /MaxSize=5GB
    5. You should see the message: -Successfully resized the shadow cop
    storage association.
    6. Perform step 2 again and verify that the Maximum Shadow Copy Storag
    space is set to 5 GB.

    The user should see an immediate return of hard drive space
     
    Vulture1340, Nov 20, 2008
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