Can I use both the internal analog tuner and an external Set top b

Discussion in 'Windows Media Center' started by Kasima, Dec 14, 2004.

  1. Kasima

    Kasima Guest

    Dear community,

    my problem is that I'm trying to view and record the channels that are
    available through analog TV cable on my Hauppauge PVR-250 and those that can
    only be received through my set top box.

    The channel lists vary completely here so that many major channels can not
    be received through digital cable, but of course there are many channels on
    the digital that are not available analog.

    My problem is how to get them all into one list, because currently if I
    choose "Yes, I'm using a STB" then MCE won't scan the analog tuner any more
    and vice versa. I would even be happy if I could add the "Video In" as a
    single channel in my analog setup and let my set top box swith the channels
    based on a timer to record my digital channels, but there's even no
    "Video-In" setting available in analog setup.

    Is there a workaround? I haven't even found the registry entries for the
    channel setup, I really wouldn't bother to modify the entries there manually
    or write a little tool to do so. Is there any documentation available?
    Kasima, Dec 14, 2004
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  2. Kasima

    kalev- Guest

    Hmmm... your cable TV provider sends some channels analog and others
    digital? This is the case for me. The STB (from Humax I think) I got from
    the is a "hybrid", (both an analog and digital tuner) in it, with two
    SCARTS (= two separate controllable video output connectors) I can tell
    when an analog channel is received by the TV: the signal drops from RGB to
    composite. You may want to check if there is a hybrid STB available. (This
    is appearantly called sometimes DVB-CA. (Digital "C"able and "A"analog) The
    2nd output on the STB, composite, is what I send to my MCE2005 box. So it
    work for all channels, the TV channel listing handles all regardless of
    digital or analog source. More: Even though theoretically the STB and my
    MCE box video-in can handle s-video, I can't use that, the STB's analog
    tuner output won't upconvert analog (= composite) TV signals to s-video..

    The opposite would be to have the STB output its channels on an RF channel,
    this way you would use the analog TV tuner inside your MCE PC: it will
    receive all the analog channels directly on the cable, PLUS one RF channel
    the STB is currently set to.

    * MCE wont be able to control channels out of the STB..
    ...instead you would find that you would have to use the timer inside your
    STB, a separate step.
    * loss of picture quality on digital channels
    kalev-, Dec 14, 2004
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  3. Kasima

    kalev- Guest

    Just to follow up:

    On a forum for my cable TV provider (ComHem in Sweden), there's alot of
    discussion about this same problem. Many have bought "digital only" STBs
    to later discover/ figure out that they need to switch to the TVs internal
    analog tuner in order to receive certain channels. In my case there's a
    ongoing rumour that my cable TV provider is going to convert these channels
    to digital on the cable sometime in 2005. It's a money-thing I'm sure..
    kalev-, Dec 14, 2004
  4. Kasima

    Nigel Barker Guest

    What you want to do is not possible in MCE. There can only be one EPG & thus one
    programme source.
    Nigel Barker, Dec 14, 2004
  5. Kasima

    Kasima Guest


    yes, it's a monetary matter here because the mayor stations want money from
    the cable TV provider for the delivery of the programs while the cable TV
    providers aks them for money to include them in the digital bouquet - not
    much space for a compromise currently. And no, I may not want to look for a
    different STB because mine is rented from the cable company.

    @Nigel Barker,

    I'm not so sure if there's a technical problem in MCE. First I don't
    neccessarily need all channels in the EPG because the STB can switch channels
    and I only want a timer recording from Video-In in MCE.

    MCE can do so, because it can handle the signal from STBs in general through
    Video-In. And it can do timer recordings on channels that are not included in
    the EPG, I know for sure because I have already done so.

    Last, there is a full-featured EPG available from Microsoft's sources that
    contains all 149 analog and digital channels for my area. All I have to do is
    to sort them manually, but I have to do that for the digital channels anyway
    because MCE can't detect what channel is on which position in my STB.

    I could use all analog channels and add further channels from the EPG, then
    assign them all to Video-In only and I'd be happy. If it can't be done using
    the MCE user interface then there is for sure a different way, it just
    doesn't seem to be properly documented.

    So, it can do all I want, but it can't do it all together. Currently it's
    either/or, so it's no technical problem but a logical one that COULD be
    solved if the channel setup had a proper documentation.
    Kasima, Dec 14, 2004
  6. Kasima

    Kasima Guest

    I figured out how that works: Just install MediaPortal and forget the MCE
    application. I'm now successfully running a third-party Media Center Software
    on Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005. Great, huh?
    Kasima, Dec 15, 2004
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