Cannot network Vista and XP

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Networking' started by Aidan Curran, Mar 19, 2007.

  1. Aidan Curran

    Aidan Curran Guest

    Hi Everyone,

    I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
    should be really simple but it's not.

    Here's my problem:

    I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
    are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
    same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).

    In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
    name correctly).

    In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
    'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
    that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
    The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
    access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
    the XP machine.

    My settings on Vista machine are:
    Network type: private
    Network discovery: on
    File sharing: On
    Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
    printer sharing: on
    password protected sharing: off (also tried on)

    I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
    party).
    My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
    spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Aidan
     
    Aidan Curran, Mar 19, 2007
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  2. I found the same problem.Have basically the same setup, one computer with XP
    pro and one with Vista Ultimate.

    I was finally able to access files on my Vista machine from the XP machine
    after going through the procedure on "Sharing Files" on the
    http://windowshelp.microcsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/ site.

    But I could never access the XP computer from the Vista one.

    I keep getting Windows cannot access\\KAREN check the spelling of the name,
    Otherwise there might be a problem with your network.....
    The spelling was checked and rechecked, it shows up on the network but I
    can't access it.
     
    Harry VanDyke, Mar 20, 2007
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  3. Aidan Curran

    Aidan Curran Guest

    After a lot of fiddling with it, I got it to work eventually but I did not
    change any settings. I tried to set up Windows Easy transfer to transfer
    files between the 2 machines but that did not detect the other computer. I
    tried pinging from one machine to the other and I could not ping by computer
    name but then I tried pinging by IP address and I was able to ping. After
    that I was able to ping by computer name and then I was able to find the
    VIsta computer by searching for the IP address. After it found it by IP
    address, it was able to find it by machine name. Still the XP machine was not
    showing up in Vista network but I eventually got to it by typing the address
    into windows explorer (I had to try \\IP address before getting it to find
    \\machine name). After this, it showed up in network. But even after all this
    Windows Easy Transfer still could not recognize an other machine on the
    network. Now I'm afraid to turn off either machine in case I loose the
    networking again.

    It seems to me like networking in Vista is really buggy and is pretty much a
    hit or miss thing depending on your luck. I happen to be reasonably
    technically profficient and my setup is very simple with no 3rd party
    firewalls or anything unusual in the mix and yet it's baffled the hell out of
    me and I still don't understand why it didn't work then but works now,
    without changing any settings. I cannot imagine how someone that's not so
    tech savvy would ever get 2 machines to see each other on their home network.
    This board is full of posts about this problem and still there is no relaible
    troubleshooting available for this. As far as home networking is concerened
    Microsoft has taken a big step backwards with Vista.
     
    Aidan Curran, Mar 20, 2007
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    Schlepr Guest

    We have the same problem: the Vista machine pings, it has Internet access,
    but it cannot "see" the XP machines. We can "see" the Vista machine from one
    of the XP machines, but cannot connect. Also cannot connect to the network
    printer from the XP machine. Fun & games. Makes a Home Office environment
    extremely problematic. I would never have gotten Vista if HP hadn't lost my
    new computer twice in Tech Support & had to replace it.
     
    Schlepr, Mar 20, 2007
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  5. Aidan Curran

    Jason G Guest

    Wow, you must be talking about me! Sorry I don't have a solution to offer,
    but essentially the same problem, and I honestly have no idea how to do half
    the things Aidan mentioned previously. Trying to network my new Vista
    notebook with my XP desktop through a Netgear wireless router, and use the
    desktop hard drive space and the printer. That's it.
    I've gotten to the point where I could see the desktop and printer from the
    notebook but could only access "shared" folder and could not access the
    printer. I've tried dozens of things in this forum in one combination or
    another but nothing seems to be working. I have a feeling that if I just had
    2 XP machines that I would run the network wizard on both and I would have
    been up and running days ago.

    Jason
     
    Jason G, Mar 20, 2007
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  6. Aidan Curran

    Aidan Curran Guest

    It appears to me that Vista is still really just a beta product, judging by
    how common these type of problems are. It will probably be a year or 2 more
    before Microsoft sort it out with service packs and it is ready for
    mainstream use. I'm regretting not just going with XP for my new system. Now
    I'm trying to figure out how to dual boot it with a version of Win 2000
    because I've hit so many other problems trying to run my existing
    applications in Vista that I don't think I will ever be able to get it to a
    point where I can do my work. If anyone has any advise on installing Win2k
    AFTER Vista that would be very much appreciated (I already have a free
    primary partition. My problem is that I cannot get the Win2k cd to start up
    from boot).
     
    Aidan Curran, Mar 20, 2007
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  7. Aidan Curran

    Aidan Curran Guest

    My fear of loosing the networking after a reboot turned out to be vaild. I
    rebooted Vista and my mapped network drive on the XP machine is no longer
    working ("An error occuered while reconnecting ... The network path was not
    found"). My old trick of pinging the IP address first and then the computer
    name did not work (I could not ping the computer name but could ping the IP).
    Of course the other computer still shows up in the network map - just to
    taunt me! What a POS!
     
    Aidan Curran, Mar 20, 2007
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  8. Aidan Curran

    Aidan Curran Guest

    More details on my latest networking problem:

    I can access the Vista machine from the XP machine
    The XP machine is now showing up in the Vista Network but when I click on it
    I get a Network Error: Windows cannot access \\....
    I click the 'Diagnose' button and it tells me that the machine name is not a
    vaild host name.
    I tried flushing the dns but that did not help.

    Any ideas?
     
    Aidan Curran, Mar 20, 2007
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  9. Aidan Curran

    Aidan Curran Guest

    Hi Harry,
    This is actually exactly the same as my problem now. Isn't Vista so
    ridiculous? I did find however that I can access the XP machine by typing
    \\[IP address] in the address bar of windows explorer, you might want to try
    that. (To get IP address, open command prompt and type ipconfig on your XP
    machine)

    What I want to know is why does Vista display the XP machine (with correct
    IP address) in the network map, display the XP machine in the Network folder
    and then say it can't access it when you click on it? It makes no sense to me
    and it's driving me mad, I've wasted so much time on it already as I'm sure
    thousands of other users have. We need answers from Microsoft right now.
     
    Aidan Curran, Mar 21, 2007
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    david Guest

    I have tried the same thing, I even upgraded to the ultimate version of vista to try and see if this would fix and nothing has worked either.

    I have tried the same things as you have and searched Microsoft extensivly with nothing usefull.



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    david, Mar 21, 2007
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  11. Aidan Curran

    hrb Guest

    Hi,

    Obviousley there are many people having network problems with Vista.
    I will share my story.

    I have vista and xp pro machines. I could ping each way. I could see the
    xp machines in the vista network map, but both operating systems where
    not communicating. I downloaded the Link-layer Topology Discovery Responder
    program for Windows xp and installed. Still no change. I knew that since
    the machines where seeing each other that my problem must have been
    either permissions or firewall related. My vista machine is new and I wasn't
    aware that it had Windows firewall and Norton firewall enabled. I shut down
    firewalls on all machines. I could connect and share files on all machines.
    Then I enabled Norton firewall and configured to allow connections with
    other machines.

    To sum this up:

    1. Make sure you have your firewall set to enable communications with other
    machines and connections.
    2. On xp machines make sure you have the Link-layer Topology Discovery
    Responder installed.
    3. Make sure you have File and Print sharing enabled on all machines.

    Hope this helps
    HRB
     
    hrb, Mar 21, 2007
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  12. Same problem here;able to transfer files from XP machine to Vista laptop
    through wireless and wired connections, XP machine shows up in vista network
    view, but when trying to access xp from vista I get the not available
    message. Can ping via IP address and computer name. I have no software
    firewalls on either machine. My sons computer is also on the network and he
    runs xp. I can see his pc from the vista network window and I get the logon
    screen when I click on the icon for his computer. I guess if I had a logon
    name for his machine I could share files, but I don't know why I do not get a
    logon screen from my win xp desktop.

    Again I am not running any software firewalls on any pc.
     
    PhilWardstill, Mar 21, 2007
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  13. Aidan Curran

    drysocks Guest

    This is the same issue I am having and I have tried all the same resolutions. /shrug

    At this point I am going to wipe the Vista and reinstall XP pro.

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    drysocks, Mar 21, 2007
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  14. Aidan Curran

    ...winston Guest

     
    ...winston, Mar 21, 2007
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  15. Aidan Curran

    Aidan Curran Guest

    Wow, so many people with the same problem, it's pretty apparent now that this
    is a HUGE Vista bug - Are there any Microsoft people in this forum to explain
    to us all what's going on???

    Is there anyone out there who has been able to home network Vista and XP
    without any problems? I'd like to hear.

    In the meantime I've worked out a 'Jerry-rig' solution that works for me but
    I don't know if it will work for all of you other people with this problem.
    Here's the steps I take to establish a network connection between my XP and
    Vista machines:

    1. Determine IP addresses of each
    2. On XP machine type \\[Vista IP address] in Windows Explorer. (You should
    be able to see the Vista shared folders if this is going to work for you)
    3. Click into one of the shared folders
    4. On Vista machine type \\[XP IP address] in Windows Explorer. You should
    now be able to see the shared folders on the XP machine.

    It needs to be done in this exact order for it to work for me and I have to
    do this procedure everytime one of the machines is restarted.

    Hope this helps some of you as a workaround while we are waiting to see what
    Microsoft is going to do about this problem. Let us know if it works for you.

    Cheers,
    Aidan
     
    Aidan Curran, Mar 22, 2007
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  16. Tried and it worked to a point. XP to vista worked fine. Vista to XP worked
    to the point of the login screen, but it would not accept the user and
    password.
    said logon failed. A step in the correct direction at least. Thanks

     
    PhilWardstill, Mar 23, 2007
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  17. Aidan Curran

    Kim [MS] Guest

    Aidan, and everyone in this thread,

    I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. Vista is more secure and much more
    flexible than XP, which is why things work a bit differently in Vista. In
    Vista, Classic file sharing is the default, not Guest-only. You use the
    Sharing Wizard to create/manage/delete file shares; and Network and Sharing
    Center to manage network settings.

    To understand better where you're at, review the recommendations below:
    - Ensure every machine is in the same workgroup and subnet
    - Ensure only one firewall is enabled per machine (In Vista, that's
    Start.Control Panel.Security.Security Center.Firewall.
    - Set Network Category to Home/Work (Private), which is a less secure
    setting and allows for file/printer sharing as well as computer discovery
    - Ensure every user account has a non-empty password
    - Create the same user account (with same password) on all machines
    - Ensure password protected sharing is ON
    - Use the Sharing Wizard to create and manage shares (You can find the
    Sharing Wizard by right clicking on the folder to share and selecting
    "Share...")

    Please post back with results.

    Also, please note that we have written an extensive web-based manual which
    is easy-to-follow and troubleshoot problems like this. If you click on
    Start.Help and Support, you'll find it. Or, just click here:
    http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/e20e6875-7210-47bb-bf19-5c60e6ae86151033.mspx


     
    Kim [MS], Mar 29, 2007
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  18. Aidan Curran

    baldy Guest

    Nice try Kim. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Still doesn't work. I
    have followed lots of leads in these posts and my story is pretty much
    identical to hundreds of the posts here.

    I have the XP patch installed.
    I can ping both ways.
    I can see XP from the Vista network map.
    I CANNOT access XP from Vista.
    After adding the IP address for the Vista box to Norton on the XP box, I can
    now access SOME Vista files from XP, can NOT access shared data drives.
    I can access a shared printer on both machines.

    My suggestion at this point would be for a MS tech to get a Vista box and an
    XP box and ACTUALLY TRY TO CONNECT THEM ...

    Then, after about a week of frustration, come back to this forum and give us
    step by step instructions on how to network. (and please, don't leave out
    half of the steps and assume that we know what you are thinking)

    I have read lots of posts here with "detailed instructions" and, as I go
    down the lists, I conclude that steps are being left out.

    Please, give us something that actually works.???

     
    baldy, Mar 30, 2007
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  19. Aidan Curran

    Kim [MS] Guest

    baldy,

    What is it you're trying to do? If you want to see XP from the Vista map,
    you must install the LLTD Responder on your XP machine; once you do that, it
    will light up on Vista. You can find the Responder at:
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...1D-EE46-481E-BA11-37F485FA34EA&displaylang=en

    We have tested this scenario, and are able to get it working, as are others
    who post to this forum; so I know it can be done! : )

    Please confirm: you can access shared Vista files from XP, but not Vista
    drives? Are you trying to share our your root (c:) drive?

    Pls post back.



     
    Kim [MS], Mar 30, 2007
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  20. Aidan Curran

    baldy Guest

    As I commented earlier, I installed the LLTD patch (which is NOT mentioned
    anywhere in the Vista help file system ... I had to learn about it the HARD
    way) and XP showed up on the Vista map ... but I still could not access any
    of it.

    When I was just networking two XP machines, I got nowhere until I installed
    NetBEUI, and then the two machines would see and communicate with each other
    OK. (NetBEUI is NOT automatically installed nor is it in the help files ...
    you have to find it on the CD and install it manually)

    Vista turned out to be the same way ... except NetBEUI is NOT part of the
    install DVD. I installed it onto Vista from my XP disc and, guess what?, now
    Vista and XP see each other.

    The next thing I had to do (which I learned about on these forums because
    the Vista help system doesn't help) was to go to whatever drive or folder I
    wanted to share, then right click on it > properties > security > advanced
    .... and you come to a permissions screen.

    Click on any entry that does not show "full control", click edit, click the
    entry again and click edit again. You get a screen called "Permissions Entry
    ...."

    On the "Apply to" drop down menu, I selected the option "this folder,
    subfolder, and files"

    On the "permissions" area I selected the "full control" box under "allow" >
    OK > apply > OK >OK > OK.

    NOW, from my XP box, I can see all the Vista drives and folders I did the
    above to. I still cannot access everything ... I get "access denied" prompts
    for some items ... but I now am able to access my Vista drive that has my
    documents in it, and I can completely access a total of 3 out of 8 drives or
    partitions.

    I just think it is amazing that in order to network Vista to XP, I had to
    use a protocol (NetBEUI) that Vista says it doen't support and doesn't
    include, and had to learn about it by accident on these forums.

    One final thought. I have found from hard experience that Windows help
    files with "how to do it" instructions SHOULD go like this ... step 1, step
    2, step 3, step 4, and so on.

    What I actually find is this ... step 1, step 3, step 7, and so on.

    If you are going to give us "how to do it" then PLEASE give us ALL of the
    steps ... EVERY keystroke, EVERY entry, EVERY move needed to get the desired
    result. Don't leave out some "minor"item thinking we know or understand what
    you are thinking.

    Thanks, Baldy

     
    baldy, Apr 1, 2007
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