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Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Rob Eventine, Mar 23, 2007.

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    Rob Eventine Guest

    with over 100,000 complaints, bugs and other assorted probs with vista as
    posted to this news group. is it not about time that microsoft admitted that
    it has seriously screwed up on vista. it is about as much good as a
    chocolate fire guard, as reliable as a snowball lasting on the surface of
    the sun and about as useful as windows mil..
    Rob Eventine, Mar 23, 2007
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  2. Microsoft isn't going to admit squat. Why should they? They are arogant
    snobs who don't care about anything but the bottom line. If Vista screws up
    computers, they don't give a Rats ass.
    Spanky deMonkey, Mar 23, 2007
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    Rick Rogers Guest

    Rick Rogers, Mar 24, 2007
  4. Version 1.0 of ANY software app has teething problems.. Vista is no
    different and no one should be suprised. Wait for SP1 if your are not

    Robert Johnson, Mar 24, 2007
  5. That con may work on newbies, it doesn't on me. What BUILD is Vista in
    now, 6,000 something? That means is was ALREADY patched in excess of
    6,000 times before the public got their hands on it and it still is
    this buggy. ROTFLMAO!
    Adam Albright, Mar 24, 2007
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    Kerry Brown Guest

    Have you checked out xp.general? It's busier than this group. There are less
    trolls there. This means there are even more people having problems with XP.
    Does this mean Microsoft screwed up with XP as well? What about the
    alt.os.linux groups? They're pretty busy too. Is Linux fundamentally flawed?
    Kerry Brown, Mar 24, 2007
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    Rick Rogers Guest

    Rick Rogers, Mar 24, 2007
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    john Guest

    no dumbass, it just means there are more people using XP

    Christ, how long does Microsoft beat you clowns with rubber hoses to get
    your "minds right"??

    freakin shills
    john, Mar 24, 2007
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    Heinz Kiosk Guest

    I've never been a Microsoft knocker. You won't find any developer who
    sings the praises of .NET and XP more than me, but I'm with the
    Original Poster. I remember 98, 2000, and XP coming out, and none of
    them were remotely as bad as Vista is. In fact I clearly remember
    being immediately impressed by the stability and lack of bugs in 2000
    and XP and I don't recall discovering any significant bugs or flaws in
    those OS myself.

    In Vista by contrast I'm already suffering from several problems that
    appear to be bugs. And when I look round the groups I see an avalanche
    of serious problems. The most worrying thing about this is the LACK of
    pattern. There isn't any one area where you can say, "Yes, this needs
    more work." Instead there appears to be a vast panoply of different
    problems that affect different machines and users differently.
    Solutions that work for one don't work for another. At some level the
    filesystem, networking, and security model appear to be unmatched with
    each other; in conflict rather than harmony. It isn't as if I'm doing
    anything difficult, just very vanilla .NET2 programs.

    Despite all that got cut out of it and the prolonged development cycle
    Vista appears to be still too ambitious, too under-tested, and mainly
    too clever for its own good. The impression that I am getting is that
    of too many bugs, and too many overlapping sticking plasters applied
    in the testing phase that are interfering with each other.

    Fed up .NET developer trying to ignore worries about the 3% of my
    userbase who are running Vista.
    Heinz Kiosk, Mar 24, 2007
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    Rick Rogers Guest

    Rick Rogers, Mar 24, 2007
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    Shane Nokes Guest

    Have you ever actually met any employees?

    They are far from "arrogant snobs".

    Some of them are the nicely people I have ever met.
    Shane Nokes, Mar 24, 2007
  12. Yea, when you are in bed with Microsoft folk you would think that way

    I worked there are I know some who are actually very nice, but as a company,
    Microsoft is arrogant, and they can get away with almost anything they want.

    Spanky deMonkey, Mar 24, 2007
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    Kerry Brown Guest

    You can't extrapolate that an OS is flawed by the number of posts on a
    newsgroup. Over time you could compile statistics about the number of users
    of an OS and the number of users experiencing a certain problem. You would
    then have to figure out is this was an actual bug or a problem with the UI
    and the users couldn't figure out how to so something. I'm not saying there
    aren't bugs in Vista. Of course there are. I'm not saying there isn't a
    fundamental flaw somewhere in Vista. It's far to early to tell that.
    Statistics is part science and part the art of interpreting data to
    extrapolate results. Anecdotal evidence is ignored by most knowledgeable
    people. Saying that "is it not about time that microsoft admitted that it
    has seriously screwed up on vista" and offering nothing but anecdotal
    evidence to back it up is misleading and wrong. Using anecdotal evidence you
    can make almost any argument you want. I was trying to point that out with
    the examples I stated. I don't believe them either. They were examples of
    how similar anecdotal evidence can be used to counter the original argument.
    It looks like this may have been over your head.
    Kerry Brown, Mar 24, 2007
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    Shane Nokes Guest


    Hmm so have I on and off.

    Who was your PM and what division did you work for?
    Shane Nokes, Mar 26, 2007
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