Connecting WIndows 2000, WIndows XP & Vista in a home network

Discussion in 'Server Networking' started by Gavalin, Nov 10, 2008.

  1. Gavalin

    Gavalin Guest

    I have 4 computers that I'm trying to set up in a home network and share
    files. One is an old Windows 2000 machine, 2 others are XP Pro and the new
    one is Vista. Currently, I can get the Windows 2000 machine to see all of
    the other 3 and the XP machines can see each other and the Vista machine.
    However, neither the XP systems nor the Vista system can see the Windows 2000
    machine.

    All of the computers are connected to a router (2Wire 2701). The XP and
    Vista machines are connected wirelessly while the Windows 2000 connects via
    Ethernet cable.

    What do you think the problem is?
     
    Gavalin, Nov 10, 2008
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  2. Can other computers ping windows 2000 by IP? If yes, this is name resolution
    issue.

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    Robert L. \(MS-MVP\), Nov 10, 2008
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  3. Gavalin

    JohnB Guest

    By "see" I assume you mean browse shares? And not ping by host name? Two
    different things.

    You don't mention a Domain, so I assume this is a Workgroup. Are all
    computers a member of the same Workgroup?

    If you can't browse them by computer name, can you browse them by IP
    address?
     
    JohnB, Nov 10, 2008
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  4. Gavalin

    Gavalin Guest

    NO GO. I can ping all of the machines from the WIN2K system and I can ping
    the XP and Vista machines from the XP machines (and vice versa). Hover I can
    not ping the WIN2K machine from any of the others.
     
    Gavalin, Nov 10, 2008
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  5. Gavalin

    Gavalin Guest

    John,

    Correct. I can browse the shares on the XP and Vista machines from any
    other machine. I can also browse any of the machines from the WIN2K machine.
    However, the WIN2K machine does not even show up on any of the XP and/or
    Vista systems.

    Again correct. This is in a home network workgroup.
     
    Gavalin, Nov 10, 2008
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  6. Gavalin

    JohnB Guest

    Robert asked about pinging by IP. Is that what you're saying? That you
    cannot ping the WIN2K machine from any of the others, by IP?
     
    JohnB, Nov 10, 2008
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  7. Gavalin

    JohnB Guest

    Just to keep this from getting too confusing, based on your answer to
    Robert.... please answer these questions:

    Can you ping by host AND IP from each PC to the others?

    Are all machines getting their IP from the router?

    You said they're all part of a Workgroup. Have you verified that all
    computers belong to the same Workgroup?

    Can the other machines browse the Win2k machine if you use it's IP address
    instead of it's computer name?
     
    JohnB, Nov 10, 2008
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  8. Gavalin

    Gavalin Guest

    John,

    I've tried pinging by IP and by name. Neither works.
     
    Gavalin, Nov 10, 2008
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  9. Gavalin

    JohnB Guest

    So you've got a connectivity issue, not a name resolution issue.

    Have you done a IPCONFIG on the Win2k machine, and compare it to the
    IPCONFIG results for the other machines? The problem machine is the only
    "wired" machine. I'm not familiar with that router. Do both wired and
    wireless hosts get an IP address from the same pool on the router?
     
    JohnB, Nov 10, 2008
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  10. Gavalin

    Gavalin Guest

    John,

    All answers are yes except last question (browsing by IP address instead of
    name). I'm not sure how to "browse" for the computer by IP address through
    Windows XP (or Vista). However, I have tried pinging by IP address and this
    doesn't work.
     
    Gavalin, Nov 10, 2008
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  11. Gavalin

    JohnB Guest

    Browse by IP: just click on Start and Run and type in \\machineIPaddress
    (not host name)
     
    JohnB, Nov 10, 2008
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  12. Gavalin

    Gavalin Guest

    John,

    Yes, all machines are getting their IP addresses from the router.

    I can't see any apparent "problems" though IPCONFIG. Is there something
    specific that I should be looking for?
     
    Gavalin, Nov 10, 2008
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  13. Gavalin

    JohnB Guest

    just make sure they're all on the same subnet.

    For example, if one machines IP address is 192.168.1.100, then they all
    should start with 192.168.1
    with the last number the only one that's different.

    As a troubleshooting step, you should try to - if possible - connect one of
    the XP or Vista machines via an Ethernet cable. And then see if you can ping
    the Win2k machine's IP address.

    The common denominator here seems to be the wired vs. wireless connectivity.
     
    JohnB, Nov 10, 2008
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  14. Gavalin

    Gavalin Guest

    John,

    Type the address for what command? PING? That doesn't work
     
    Gavalin, Nov 10, 2008
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  15. Gavalin

    Gavalin Guest

    Actually, the wired machine is a little different. All the wireless machines
    start with 192.168.2 while the wired machine starts with 192.168.15.

    However, doesn't the fact that the wired machine can see and browse the
    wireless systems indicate that the connection is good?
     
    Gavalin, Nov 10, 2008
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  16. Gavalin

    JohnB Guest

    They're on different subnets.
    Well... it could be the difference in how the subnet mask was configured,
    among other things.

    Sounds like you're not the network guru type, so a quick fix would be the
    best solution here.
    Do you know how to log into the router? And then configure the network
    settings?

    If not, I recommend just giving the win2k machine a static IP address that
    is on the same subnet as the wireless machine. Pick a number that is not in
    use by one of those machines. Make sure the subnet mask that you give it
    matches the one used by the wireless machines. And make sure the default
    gateway you give it matches that of the wireless machines.

    The ideal thing here would be to bone up on configuring the router. And
    look around in it and see if you can configure the wired and wireless to be
    on the same subnet (192.168.2.x). But try the static IP first.
     
    JohnB, Nov 10, 2008
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  17. Gavalin

    Gavalin Guest

    Bill,

    I checked the IPCONFIG on all the machines. The only differences are:

    Host Name
    Connection Description (ethernet/wireless adapter)
    Physical address
    IP Address
    Default Gateway (wirelss = 192.168.2.xx; wited = 192.168.15.xx)
    DHCP Server (wirelss = 192.168.2.xx; wited = 192.168.15.xx)

    As far as the routher is concerned, I haven't done anything to it since I
    got it (from my ISP). I tried looking through the settings but I can't find
    anything which controls access between the wired and wireless ports.

    As I mentioned before, The wired systems can see and browsse all the other
    machines. Wouldn't this indicate that the connection between the ports is
    good?
     
    Gavalin, Nov 10, 2008
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  18. Gavalin

    Gavalin Guest

    John,

    Actually, when I check the settings on the router, it says that the wired
    machine has been assigned the IP address of 192.168.2.10. However, if I
    check the machine itself (IPCONFIG), it says that the IP address is
    192.168.15.147.

    Should I manually force the system to match the IP address given by the
    router?
     
    Gavalin, Nov 10, 2008
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  19. Gavalin

    JohnB Guest

    You can try that. It won't make it any worse off.

    You mentioned that it's the ISP's router. Is your ISP Embarq? Sounds like
    it. They're fairly easy to configure (everything is relative). You can
    open up Internet Explorer and put in 192.168.2.254 or 192.158.15.254 and get
    to the admin page. There usually isn't a password (blank).
    When you enter the IP address in IE, don't put www or anything else in front
    of it, just the number.

    You could also call Embarq. They would probably walk you through changing
    that router setup so both wired and wireless computers are on the same
    subnet. That would be your best bet if setting the IP manually doesn't
    work.
     
    JohnB, Nov 10, 2008
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  20. Gavalin

    Gavalin Guest

    John,

    Well I tried setting it manually and that definitely doesn't work. When I
    did it, nothing worked on the wired system; I couldn't browse the other
    computer, I couldn't access the internet, I couldn't even access e-mail. So,
    I put it back to automatic and I can browse the other systems again.

    My router is actually from Bell (I'm in Canada) but their tech support is
    absolutely useless. If you can connect to the internet, they consider their
    job done.

    You're right that I can access the router setting through IE. In fact, this
    is where I found that the IP address on the wired system is different from
    what the router is reporting.

    Another "weird" thing. The router is listing the names for all the computer
    son the network except for the wired one. For this one, it shows some kind
    of arbitrary number (don't know what it refers to.

    Given that I can't "force" the computer to use the IP address that the
    router is showing, do you have any other sugggestions?
     
    Gavalin, Nov 10, 2008
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