Constant FREEZES and no infections

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by I.C. Greenfields, Feb 11, 2009.

  1. As your example proves, for the average user, third party firewalls and
    anti-malware programs cause more problems than they solve.
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Feb 13, 2009
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  2. I.C. Greenfields

    Questor Guest

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    Making a broad statement like that is not really a good idea. I've used
    ZA for years from Win98 to XP Pro and haven't had one ripple of problem.
    Other third party programs perform just fine on my machines. Once in
    a while, a good program throws a clunker and needs to be fine-tuned.
    That's all.

    Questor
     
    Questor, Feb 13, 2009
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  3. You probably have an above average tolerance for nuisance alarms.
    I tried ZA once, and was frustrated by all the benign stuff it alarmed on.
    Yes, you can tell it to ignore certain apps, but that takes patience
    and a learning curve. Most newbies have no clue as to whether they
    should approve a specific SVCHOST process or not.
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Feb 13, 2009
    #23
  4. One swallow does not a summer make.
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Feb 13, 2009
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  5. I.C. Greenfields

    Questor Guest

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    But all those "benign alarms" is how ZA 'learns' what to block or allow
    through. If you have Process Explorer on your system when one of those
    alerts pops up that you aren't sure of go ahead and deny access, start
    PE and see what it does. Hovering over the process in PE will show you
    what the process actually does and what DLLs/EXEs are used. If it is an
    OK process, then go back to ZA's Programs panel and allow it through.

    I agree that it may intimidate some, but once done a couple of times it
    becomes second nature.

    Questor
     
    Questor, Feb 13, 2009
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  6. I uninstalled ZoneAlarm but don't like the idea of anything onboard phoning
    home, even if it's benign. I like to control and know what's going out so
    to speak.
     
    I.C. Greenfields, Feb 14, 2009
    #26
  7. I've used ZoneAlarm since W98 also, with never a problem. I don't like not
    knowing what's accessing the net. This really sucks.
     
    I.C. Greenfields, Feb 14, 2009
    #27
  8. You probably have an above average tolerance for nuisance alarms.
    I tried ZA once, and was frustrated by all the benign stuff it alarmed on.
    Yes, you can tell it to ignore certain apps, but that takes patience
    and a learning curve. Most newbies have no clue as to whether they
    should approve a specific SVCHOST process or not.
    ~~~~~~~~~~

    I never had ZoneAlarm ask about SVCHOST processes. And you can turn the
    *alerts* off. It'll just ask when something onboard is trying to access the
    net. Once you give the program permission or not, it doesn't ask again.
    Very easy to use software.
     
    I.C. Greenfields, Feb 14, 2009
    #28
  9. Inline:

    Any outbound connections eminating from WMP are benign (not
    malicious). It's the malicious malware you should be cncerned about.


    I know they are but don't want anything accessing the bet without
    permission. I wan to know what's going on. (Scroll down)

    Windows Firewall in Vista can be configured to monitor outbound
    connections, should you be so inclined. See
    http://www.vistastic.com/2007/03/09/windows-firewall-enable-outbound-filtering

    *HOW? There's no choice in the Firewall window that opens. HOW and WERE is
    the place you make that change?

    It says "* Change Outbound connections from Allow (default) to Block" but
    WHERE is the place where the change is made?

    ----------------------------------------
    I bet you didn't know that Microsoft Windows Vista includes a two-way
    firewall.

    Unfortunately, the outbound filtering has been disabled. I'm not quite sure
    why Microsoft made this decision but from a security point of view it would
    have made perfect sense to have it enabled by default. I suspect it's due to
    Microsoft not wanting to frustrate customers when their internet dependent
    applications suddenly stopped working.
    Windows Vista Firewall: How To Turn On Outbound Filtering

    * Click the Start Button (Windows Orb)
    * In the search bar type "wf.msc" and press the Enter key
    * Click the Windows Firewall Properties link
    * Change Outbound connections from Allow (default) to Block

    From the Windows Firewall with Advanced Security properties you can also
    configure additional rules for incoming as well as outbound connections.
     
    I.C. Greenfields, Feb 14, 2009
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  10. It blocks programs like WMP and other legitimate programs we don't want
    accessing the net to not access it. Some of us want to chose what "gets out"
    and what doesn't. And the this info doesn't work since there is nowhere to
    make such a change there. No buttons. Nowhere to choose. Configure it -
    HOW?

    http://www.vistastic.com/2007/03/09/windows-firewall-enable-outbound-filtering/
    I bet you didn't know that Microsoft Windows Vista includes a two-way
    firewall.

    Unfortunately, the outbound filtering has been disabled. I'm not quite sure
    why Microsoft made this decision but from a security point of view it would
    have made perfect sense to have it enabled by default. I suspect it's due to
    Microsoft not wanting to frustrate customers when their internet dependent
    applications suddenly stopped working.
    Windows Vista Firewall: How To Turn On Outbound Filtering

    * Click the Start Button (Windows Orb)
    * In the search bar type "wf.msc" and press the Enter key
    * Click the Windows Firewall Properties link
    * Change Outbound connections from Allow (default) to Block

    From the Windows Firewall with Advanced Security properties you can also
    configure additional rules for incoming as well as outbound connections.
     
    I.C. Greenfields, Feb 14, 2009
    #30

  11. Sorry, you lose your bet.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Feb 14, 2009
    #31
  12. I.C. Greenfields

    Questor Guest

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    wf.msc brings up a totally different applet than Windows Firewall in the
    Control Panel. The wf.msc DOES have an area where you can configure
    outgoing traffic.

    Questor
     
    Questor, Feb 14, 2009
    #32
  13. I.C. Greenfields

    Questor Guest

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    My goodness! Where did you come from? Why did you feel that you had to
    say such things here in our newsgroup. What a troll.

    Questor
     
    Questor, Feb 14, 2009
    #33
  14. I.C. Greenfields

    MICHAEL Guest

    Sort of like Vista's UAC, huh?



    -Michael
     
    MICHAEL, Feb 14, 2009
    #34
  15. I.C. Greenfields

    Questor Guest

    --->
    Your automobile analogy is very apt. You are railing FOR a particular
    car and another is railing FOR a different car. It is not a winnable
    situation

    Each person has to decide what they want on their computers. Once that
    decision is made, and they like what they've done, then no amount of
    preaching FOR or AGAINST a particular program is going to change their
    minds. Decrying profanely every decision made by others while pushing
    YOUR favorite program just make yourself look bad.

    Put down your poison pen for a minute and try to see the other side of
    the gap. SANE arguments FOR or AGAINST any application might just be
    met with more than a healthy dose of skepticism.

    Questor
     
    Questor, Feb 14, 2009
    #35
  16. I.C. Greenfields

    Questor Guest

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    And, in case you are interested, I use BOTH IE7 and FF3. In some cases,
    IE is the only browser that will access certain sites (most notably, my
    military health information and VA sites). Both programs have a lot to
    offer their users. FF has add-ons (DownThemAll, FlashGot) that let me
    download, scan for viruses, and store videos from Youtube and the like.
    So far, I haven't found an add-on for IE that will let me to the same.
    Do you have a URL for an IE add-on that will do the same?

    Questor
     
    Questor, Feb 14, 2009
    #36
  17. I had no trouble following the instructions in that link.
    At what point can't you proceed?
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Feb 14, 2009
    #37
  18. Windows Firewall outbound filtering is disabled by default because:
    a) Most users don't care to be notified about benign outbound
    connections, such as those from WMP.
    b) If you have malicious outbound connections, then you have
    a resident Trojan virus, and it's too late to stop it. Probably the
    first thing the virus does is turn off outbound blocks and alarms,
    so you won't know what it is doing.
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Feb 14, 2009
    #38
  19. Think of it as UAC version 1.0.
    UAC has been tamed very nicely in Windows 7.
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Feb 14, 2009
    #39
  20. Please remove microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail from any discussion about browsers.
    Thank you.
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Feb 14, 2009
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