Copying files from XP to Vista via shared network drive

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by tcmichals, Feb 8, 2007.

  1. tcmichals

    tcmichals Guest

    I turned off UAC and rebooted. I get a dialog Destintation Folder Access
    Denied You need permission to perform this action. The File name is
    RedBoot_Update_Notes.doc, other doc files were copied fine, what is going on?
    Here is a list of file names that could not be copied:
    RedBoot_Users_Guide.doc (word document)
    cnf_mgr.c.save (simple text file C)
    Other C files were copied? Is this named based? Is this a configuraion
    option?

    I'm a little tired of the ranting that UAC is so good, then why then simple
    file like these are blocked?
     
    tcmichals, Feb 8, 2007
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    Jesper Guest

    This shouldn't be a UAC issue, particularly not if it persists even if you
    turn off UAC. A couple of questions:
    1. Which machine is the server and which is the client?
    2. What is the physical path for the directory that you are copying into on
    the machine acting as the server?
    3. What is the ACL on the directory and on the share itself?
    4. What privilege level does the user account you use to establish the
    connection with have?
    5. Is this a domain environment, or are both machines stand-alone?
    6. You said other files copied fine into that share. There is no existing
    file with the same name as the one you are failing on is there?

    Again, this is almost certainly not a UAC issue. The only impact UAC would
    have on remote access is that non-domain admin accounts get a restricted
    token when connecting from the network. However, if one file copies fine and
    another does not there is something non-UAC related going on.
     
    Jesper, Feb 8, 2007
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  3. tcmichals

    tcmichals Guest

    See below....

    XP is the "Server", I allowed the entire C:\ drive to be shared so I can
    move files onto the Vista ..

    So I map a drive from the XP to Vista ie Z:\c is the mount point on Vista.
    C:\ on XP
    The physical path is c:\cygnetron\docs on XP on Vista it is c:\cygentron\docs
    basicly just copying the entire directory contents

    I use file explorer to copy the file via a file folder.

    I can copied about 100,00 file in the move, but about 20 files did not copy,
    some were .doc and some were .zip files. What is weird was some .doc files
    were transfered and some .zip files were transfered. It was NOT a global
    issue.

    Ok, I'm new to Vista, but I think it is all allowed... Read/write etc.
    I right clicked on the directory on the Vista c:\cygentron selected
    properties and check security, all of the check boxes were checked...

    I did a simple test, from XP via RDP, I copy the file to form
    RedBoot_Users_Guide.doc to "Copy RedBoot_Users_Guide.doc " and that copies
    file. I open the file via RedBoot_Users_Guide.doc Word 2003 on XP and edit
    and resave. Still cannot copy from Vista.
    It only has read, I only want to copy files....
    No there is not because it will not copy file, I'm just moving files....
    Ok agreed, but why are some files being filtered? how does it know to filter
    files?
    Attributes? Contents? Name?
    I did another copy in another directory, about 200k files, and again only
    about 5 out of the 200k files did not copy. some were doc and zip files....
     
    tcmichals, Feb 8, 2007
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  4. tcmichals

    Jesper Guest

    Have you tried creating a directory inside your home folder on the Vista
    system instead and copying into there?
    It sounds to me like the files exist. The ACL on them probably won't let you
    overwrite them.

    run this command for me from a command prompt on the Vista system:
    icacls c:\cygentron\docs

    Then run this command on the XP system:
    cacls c:\cygentron\docs\RedBoot_Users_Guide.doc
    copy and paste the output.
    That is to be expected. From what I can tell there are two likely
    possibilities. Either the file exists already on the Vista system and the
    error indicates that you are not allowed to overwrite it. Alternatively, the
    ACL on the XP system on that file prevents the user account you are accessing
    it with from reading the file.

    When you established the connection from the Vista system to the XP system,
    did you give it a username and password to use to establish the connection?
    Otherwise you are likely a guest.

    That's what we are trying to find out. :)

    I don't think the files are getting "filtered." I think it is a simple
    permissions problem.
     
    Jesper, Feb 8, 2007
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  5. tcmichals

    tcmichals Guest

    see below...


    I tried to copy RedBoot_Users_Guide.doc from XP onto Vista to C:\ root drive
    and still the Destination Folder Access Denied dialog popped up.

    Also tried the following, created a directory c:\zippy and attempted to copy
    ReadBoot_Users_Guide.doc and that also failed. Destinatiuon Folder Access
    Denied dialog popped up..
    C:\>icacls c:\cygnetron\documents
    c:\cygnetron\documents BUILTIN\Administrators:(I)(F)
    BUILTIN\Administrators:(I)(OI)(CI)(IO)(F)
    NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM:(I)(F)
    NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM:(I)(OI)(CI)(IO)(F)
    BUILTIN\Users:(I)(OI)(CI)(RX)
    NT AUTHORITY\Authenticated Users:(I)(M)
    NT AUTHORITY\Authenticated Users:(I)(OI)(CI)(IO)(M)

    Successfully processed 1 files; Failed processing 0 files

    C:\>

    The correct name of the directory is c:\cygnetron\documents

    C:\>cacls c:\cygnetron\documents
    c:\cygnetron\documents BUILTIN\Administrators:F
    BUILTIN\Administrators:(OI)(CI)(IO)F
    NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM:F
    NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM:(OI)(CI)(IO)F
    OAKWOODFAST918\Tim Michals:F
    CREATOR OWNER:(OI)(CI)(IO)F
    BUILTIN\Users:R
    BUILTIN\Users:(OI)(CI)(IO)(special access:)
    GENERIC_READ
    GENERIC_EXECUTE

    BUILTIN\Users:(CI)(special access:)
    FILE_APPEND_DATA

    BUILTIN\Users:(CI)(special access:)
    FILE_WRITE_DATA

    Everyone:(OI)(CI)R


    Yes This is not a guest account, admin.... And it has username and password
     
    tcmichals, Feb 9, 2007
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    Jesper Guest

    I tried to copy RedBoot_Users_Guide.doc from XP onto Vista to C:\ root drive
    That would be by design. Only users that have Administrators in their token
    can write to that directory. You do not. If you launch an elevated command
    prompt (Start:All Programs:Accessories right-click Command Prompt, select Run
    as administrator...) you will have an elevated token and from there you can
    copy the file to the root of the C:. That is why I asked if you had tried
    putting the files in your user directory instead. You have full access to
    that.
    That ACL looks fine as long as you are connecting as a particular user, and
    not as guest.
    Sorry about that.
    I really need the ACL on the file that won't copy. I'm wondering if somehow
    you do not have access to the source file.
     
    Jesper, Feb 9, 2007
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    tcmichals Guest

    C:\>cacls c:\cygnetron\documents
    c:\cygnetron\documents BUILTIN\Administrators:F
    BUILTIN\Administrators:(OI)(CI)(IO)F
    NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM:F
    NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM:(OI)(CI)(IO)F
    OAKWOODFAST918\Tim Michals:F
    CREATOR OWNER:(OI)(CI)(IO)F
    BUILTIN\Users:R
    BUILTIN\Users:(OI)(CI)(IO)(special access:)
    GENERIC_READ
    GENERIC_EXECUTE

    BUILTIN\Users:(CI)(special access:)
    FILE_APPEND_DATA

    BUILTIN\Users:(CI)(special access:)
    FILE_WRITE_DATA

    Everyone:(OI)(CI)R



    FYI I did backed up the files on XP to DVD and copied from DVD to Vista and
    that worked.

    By why not over the network? even if the directory is created off of root
    it does not copy...
     
    tcmichals, Feb 9, 2007
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    Jesper Guest

    Weird. The ACL looks normal. I can imagine a few possible issues:
    1. The files that won't copy have an ACL on the XP machine that prevents
    whichever user account you are connecting with from the Vista system from
    reading them. As I do not know which account you are using, I can't tell
    whether that is the case.
    2. The files are held open and can't be copied. It's odd that they can be
    burnt to CD thought.
    3. You ran into some kind of race condition bug where a file copy starts for
    the file, but for some reason is restarted for the same file and fails
    because the destination is still held open.

    Number 1 seems most likely to be honest. The ACL on the file itself (the one
    below is for the directory), and information as to which user account you
    connected with would tell for sure.

    That's all I can think of. Nothing else seems to make sense.
     
    Jesper, Feb 9, 2007
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    ryandury Guest

    Hey Guys,

    I am having the same problem.. I just purchased a new computer with
    Vista installed.. And so, through my network, I have some shared
    folders on the XP machine I have upstairs.. When I try to transfer
    these files to Vista, I receive a "Destination Folder Access Denied:
    You need permission to perform this action"..

    I am doing this on the administrative account.. This is getting
    annoying.. Not to mention having to accept every single action.. A
    few days before purchasing this computer, I watched a new Apple vs PC
    computer, and it really sums up the ridiculous security on Vista.
     
    ryandury, Feb 10, 2007
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  10. tcmichals

    Jesper Guest

    Sorry you don't like security and Vista. If you do not want security, then
    Apple is a reasonably good choice.

    If you tell us more about where exactly you are trying to copy these files
    to maybe we could help you.
     
    Jesper, Feb 10, 2007
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    ryandury Guest

    Hey,

    I like Windows.. Ive been a windows user all my life, but sometimes
    it's hard to ignore things like this. It's almost like they couldnt
    figure out how to properly check for intrusion so they said " Lets
    just act as if anything could be an intrusion! Even our own
    applications! ".. I can deal with it, except that it's now causing
    more headaches then it should.

    ...

    I have tried to copy the folder to different parts of my computer, it
    won't copy regardless of the destination.

    This should be a very straightforward process. Sigh
     
    ryandury, Feb 10, 2007
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  12. Such details don't provide any useful information. From where to where,
    specifically and what are the security attributes of both directories. Can
    you stop saying I am an administrator? You are NOT! You have the ability
    to endow an activity with admin access, but you run with normal priviliges
    until you deign to endow, either explicitly or implicitly.

    P.S. I like the religious inference just to pump up the morons who insist on
    using a new version of Windows as soon as it is released. Those who think,
    know that Microsoft has never released a stable OS until at least service
    pack 1a. They always seem to mess up service pack 1, so the fix to 'a'
    seems to always be required. Just look at the size of the Visual Studio
    2005 Service Pack 1. It takes longer to install than the install of the
    product the first time. Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 was adequate, but it
    took the Rollup package to get it up to use the minifilter manager.

    I do use Vista, but it is at work and not on my personal systems. It is
    only for testing and debugging. I also don't use IE7 yet.
     
    David J. Craig, Feb 11, 2007
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  13. tcmichals

    ryandury Guest

    For anyone that may be having the same issue, it is related to having
    Kaspersky Virus Software 5.x installed on the XP Machine. Kaspersky
    binds isrtreams to each file under the XP machine and that for some
    reason screws up the file transfer.

    Uninstalling Kaspersky, or REMOVING the istream tags on each file with
    the following: http://www.kaspersky.com/faq?qid=170...&qtype=3594740
    will solve your problem.
     
    ryandury, Feb 11, 2007
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