Deliberate omission ?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Jdr, May 8, 2007.

  1. Jdr

    Jdr Guest

    Two questions for MS Redmond;

    How should we understand of missing two important
    News Groups from the "Microsoft Communities" N-groups;
    News://microsoft.public.windows.vista.internetexplorer
    and
    News://microsoft.public.windows.vista.outlookexpress

    Why Windows Internet Explorer is MUCH slower
    than its old predecessor - IE7 is?

    In my environment people agreed that Windows Internet Explorer
    has a lot of problems. Particularly after all these "updates" which
    instead improving functionality of WIE - in fact are slowing it down.

    Jdr
     
    Jdr, May 8, 2007
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  2. Not sure what your problem is

    Outlook Express has been replaced in Windows Vista by Windows Mail - it's
    newsgroup is microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail
    IE7 is cross operating systems so it's newsgroup is
    microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

    Personally I have not experienced any problems with IE7 and do not find it
    slower then previous versions.
     
    Mike Brannigan, May 8, 2007
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  3. Jdr

    Jdr Guest

    Obviously you haven't read the contents of "Microsoft Communities".
    My problem is not as much mine as Microsoft's...-;)

    Jdr
     
    Jdr, May 8, 2007
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  4. Obviously you are having problems posing an actual question.

    The Windows Mail group is there
    Go to
    http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx
    and you will see the link to it
    There is NO vista.outlookexpress BECAUSE Vista DOES NOT HAVE Outlook Express
    it is replaced with Windows Mail.

    On the same page above you will also see the link to the Internet Explorer
    newsgroup via the communities page the link to it is actually under the
    Mail and Contacts one.

    So what exactly is your problem - there are newsgroups for both of the items
    you mention accessible either via a newsreader or the communities front end
    on Microsoft.com
    What particular page or location are you having problems with?[/QUOTE]
     
    Mike Brannigan, May 8, 2007
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  5. Jdr

    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    I strongly agree with Mike's analysis here. It's a major nuisance to get a
    group deleted once created, so making another newsgroup redundant to the IE
    group would be a major long-term pain. There must be a strong compelling
    unique need for any new newsgroup, and those two suggestions don't meet the
    bar per Mike's explanations. =)


    [/QUOTE]
     
    zachd [MSFT], May 9, 2007
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  6. Jdr

    Jdr Guest


    May be there is a hope...

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "MICHAEL" <>
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
    Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:18 AM
    Subject: Windows Live MailMay be there is a hope...

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "MICHAEL" <>
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
    Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:18 AM
    Subject: Windows Live Mail


    This is interesting:

    <quote>
    In the coming weeks, Microsoft will also ship a new public beta version of
    Windows Live Mail
    (Figure), which will work natively with Windows Live Hotmail. I've been
    using a beta version of
    this Outlook Express/Windows Mail derivative for some time now, and I'll be
    reviewing the
    product separately once the public beta is available. Here's what's going on
    with this
    interesting and free new email client. To date, Microsoft has painted a very
    complicated story
    with its free consumer-oriented email clients. There's Outlook Express in
    XP, Windows Mail in
    Vista, and now the new Windows Live Mail, which replaces the other two
    products and will be the
    only one of the three actively developed going forward.

    "This is the new client," Richardson told me, "and it's an evolution and
    superset of all the
    clients that came before. We're cleaning up the consumer client story.
    Windows Live Mail is the
    marriage of Windows Live services and the desktop, and it's the only client
    we're going to
    invest in going forward."
    </quote>
    http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winlive_hotmail.asp

    Bye, bye Windows Mail. Hello, Windows Live Mail,
    and there will be no ads like in WLMD. Bravo!

    Not only that, they will soon be releasing a new Outlook Connector that
    will allow Outlook users to get their Hotmail for free once again. Bravo!

    So, Windows Live Mail and Windows Live Hotmail are where all the
    developers have been. It's good to know they were doing something
    constructive, cause it certainly wasn't spent on Windows Mail. I hope
    Windows Live Mail is an excellent product, I might switch back to it from
    Thunderbird. Even though I only used WM for newsgroups, it was just awful.
    I use Outlook for email.

    Maybe for all those folks who liked "identities" in Outlook Express they'll
    have that in the new Windows Live Mail. You never know. Microsoft
    surprised
    me with this. I just gave them a hard time (again) in a post the other day
    about
    ads in WLMD and not being able to get your Hotmail for free with their own
    email clients.... they must have been reading my posts. ;-)

    Here's the press release:
    http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/may07/05-06WLHotmailLaunchPR.mspx

    -Michael

    This is interesting:

    <quote>
    In the coming weeks, Microsoft will also ship a new public beta version of
    Windows Live Mail
    (Figure), which will work natively with Windows Live Hotmail. I've been
    using a beta version of
    this Outlook Express/Windows Mail derivative for some time now, and I'll be
    reviewing the
    product separately once the public beta is available. Here's what's going on
    with this
    interesting and free new email client. To date, Microsoft has painted a very
    complicated story
    with its free consumer-oriented email clients. There's Outlook Express in
    XP, Windows Mail in
    Vista, and now the new Windows Live Mail, which replaces the other two
    products and will be the
    only one of the three actively developed going forward.

    "This is the new client," Richardson told me, "and it's an evolution and
    superset of all the
    clients that came before. We're cleaning up the consumer client story.
    Windows Live Mail is the
    marriage of Windows Live services and the desktop, and it's the only client
    we're going to
    invest in going forward."
    </quote>
    http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winlive_hotmail.asp

    Bye, bye Windows Mail. Hello, Windows Live Mail,
    and there will be no ads like in WLMD. Bravo!

    Not only that, they will soon be releasing a new Outlook Connector that
    will allow Outlook users to get their Hotmail for free once again. Bravo!

    So, Windows Live Mail and Windows Live Hotmail are where all the
    developers have been. It's good to know they were doing something
    constructive, cause it certainly wasn't spent on Windows Mail. I hope
    Windows Live Mail is an excellent product, I might switch back to it from
    Thunderbird. Even though I only used WM for newsgroups, it was just awful.
    I use Outlook for email.

    Maybe for all those folks who liked "identities" in Outlook Express they'll
    have that in the new Windows Live Mail. You never know. Microsoft
    surprised
    me with this. I just gave them a hard time (again) in a post the other day
    about
    ads in WLMD and not being able to get your Hotmail for free with their own
    email clients.... they must have been reading my posts. ;-)

    Here's the press release:
    http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/may07/05-06WLHotmailLaunchPR.mspx

    -Michael
     
    Jdr, May 9, 2007
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  7. Jdr

    Jdr Guest

    Obviously you missed my question. Instead you just assured yourself in
    the point known to everyone using Vista:
    "There is NO vista.outlookexpress BECAUSE Vista DOES NOT HAVE Outlook
    Express "
    While my question was, why is Vista slow?

    I don't know but may be the answer is here,
    http://www.repair-windows-errors.org/speed_up_windows.htm?gclid=CNih5ebFgIwCFRROQwodonq0zA

    "No matter if you have Windows 98, Windows 2000,
    Windows XP, or Windows Vista it will slow
    over times due to a corrupt registry. "

    I know that i sounds like commercial, but Vista should
    be "SMARTER" than that...-;)

    "You need a registry cleaner to overcome this problem.
    The Registry Cleaner cleans the registry to free up registry space.
    Once it is done, your PC starts running well again.

    It is absolutely required that you repair your
    Windows registry regularly. Windows errors
    leave traces in your registry that will only
    hurt your computer in the long run. "

    http://www.repair-windows-errors.org/speed_up_windows.htm?gclid=CNih5ebFgIwCFRROQwodonq0zA>> The Windows Mail group is there> Go tohttp://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx> and you will see the link to it> There is NO vista.outlookexpress BECAUSE Vista DOES NOT HAVE OutlookExpress it is replaced with Windows Mail.>> On the same page above you will also see the link to the Internet Explorernewsgroup via the communities page the link to it is actually under theMail and Contacts one.>> So what exactly is your problem - there are newsgroups for both of theitems you mention accessible either via a newsreader or the communitiesfront end on Microsoft.com> What particular page or location are you having problems with?> -->> Mike Brannigan>>>>
     
    Jdr, May 9, 2007
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  8. jdr,

    I have never used a registry cleaner. My Windows XP Pro system was
    established on day 1 of its availability. It was always maintained with
    automatic updates, anti-virus programs with automatic updates, etc. It was
    used four to five hours daily over the years.

    We in our computer club used to debate the issue. We have found that, in
    general, they do more harm than good.
     
    Charles W Davis, May 9, 2007
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  9. You asked TWO questions - both of which I answered.

    Your first post started with "Two questions for MS Redmond;" - one about
    what your erroneously thought were "Missing" newsgroups
    You second issues was related to IE. Personally I have not found it
    slower.
    The advice you list about about so called registry corruption is nonsense.
    The registry does not corrupt or degrade over time.
    Registry cleaners are in my opinion pointless. Applications and the OS look
    for specific keys for values from the registry. If a poorly written
    application when uninstalled leaves keys then these have no impact on the
    remaining applications or OS who will not be making calls to these keys.
    In the significant time I have been using deploying and developing for
    Windows I have never had any form of registry corruption or had any reason
    to use one of these so called "cleaners", ever.
     
    Mike Brannigan, May 9, 2007
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  10. Jdr

    Jdr Guest


    Charles,

    Entirely agree with you. Not to mention that I installed Vista
    only two month ago and I'm not downloading anything for
    obvious reasons - compatibility. None the less my Vista
    Beta ran faster than Full version of Vista Ult. on the same PC.
    That I fund it very strange.

    Jdr
     
    Jdr, May 10, 2007
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