Disk image software, Paragon Drive Backup

Discussion in 'Windows Small Business Server' started by David F, Jul 4, 2005.

  1. David F

    David F Guest

    Anyone having success with Paragon Drive Backup?

    A few months ago (March 11) Les Connors said he was evaluating it. Yo,
    Les, you there? Consider the price differential:
    Paragon Drive Backup $49, Professional version $99
    Acronis True Image 8.0 Server for Windows $699
    I'm probably missing something, but $699 kinda blows our budget.
    Suggestions? Thanks.
     
    David F, Jul 4, 2005
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    Russ Grover Guest

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    Russ Grover, Jul 4, 2005
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  3. David F

    David F Guest

    Gonna have to try SBS Backup. However, I have a hard time using Veritas
    BE for Windows Servers for things relating to OS restores, disaster
    recovery, and the like. Sight unseen I expect SBS Backup will have
    similar challenges. I'm a business owner, not a full-time IT tech,

    Thus, I feel much more secure with a drive image type of product. I've
    used Ghost quite a lot, but the version I have does not support RAID. Or
    if it does, Symantec won't say so. Or could upgrade Ghost, I suppose.

    Thanks,
    David Frohmader
    Precision Landscape Services, Inc.
    Portland, OR
     
    David F, Jul 4, 2005
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  4. Hi David -

    I've used Paragon Professional, and overall have been happy with it. (As a
    matter of fact, I'm going to be using it come Tuesday to move a client's
    Win2k DC to new hardware. Long story - but it is imperative that the
    current installation remain in-tact.) The big thing to note about Paragon
    is that it cannot do a live image of your system partition (which Acronis
    will do - but in all honesty, live images aren't exactly fool-proof).

    I should also note that I'm using Paragon as a supplement to NTBackup that
    comes with SBS. Generally speaking, we use SBS Backup at all of our
    customer sites, and I have been extremely pleased with it. And yes, I have
    done a bare metal restore of an SBS Premium from a backup created with
    NTBackup (to an external USB hard drive, no less :^)

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    Chad A. Gross - SBS MVP
    SBS ROCKS!

    http://msmvps.com/cgross
     
    Chad A. Gross [SBS MVP], Jul 4, 2005
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  5. I just imaged a Raid 1 Dell Perc 4 18 GB SCSI with 2 9 GB partitions to 73
    GB RAID 1 with 15 GB C and 58 GB D from within Windows with Paragon
    Professional. This was Windows Standard not SBS but SQL installed and
    running. Server booted to new Raid with adjustment to Boot.ini The nice
    thing about Paragon is many new servers have no floppy and Paragon runs in
    Windows and doesn't need floppy, partitions can be adjusted on fly. The only
    reason Boot.ini needed adjusting was brain fa*t on my part on forgetting the
    extra Dell partition. I highly recommend Paragon for imaging software.
     
    Frank McCallister SBS MVP, Jul 4, 2005
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  6. Hi David,

    It works pretty well.

    I live imaged drives, partitions, and entire boxes, and was able to destroy
    and recover them in short order, with only minor issues that weren't related
    to Paragon - with one exception that I was able to work around.

    I had one test system that ran for about 60 days running both SBSbackup, and
    then Paragon drive backup sheduled daily doing a live image to a USB drive.
    It worked fine, I had lots of restore options ;-), with both SBSbackup and
    Paragon offering everything from single file restore to bare metal recovery.

    After SBS2k3 SP1, I had an issue with Paragon; booting from the recovery CD
    failed to detect my SCSI Raid disk with the most current recovery CD. I was
    able to restore the system with an older recovery CD - I didn't completely
    get to the bottom of this issue.

    It's a good product, capable of scheduled live imaging; and file, folder,
    partition, drive, and entire server restores. Including re-sizing on
    restore. I'd love to see it image to tape, but it doesn't do that.

    If you're going to rely on it for bare metal restore from image, then I'd
    suggest you test the recovery CD with your hardware - make sure it detects
    your disk subsystem - and sort any issues out if it doesn't.
     
    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Jul 4, 2005
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  7. Must be a different version, Chad. Paragon Drive-Backup will live image the
    whole lot.
     
    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Jul 4, 2005
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  8. I trust you Les - so I'm going to have to get some assistance here, because
    I've never been able to get it (Paragon Drive Backup Professional 6.0) to do
    a live image. It claims it can, but every time I've tried imaging the
    system partition of any system (Win2k Server, Win2k3 Server, SBS2k3, XP
    laptop) it *always* tells me that the volume is in use and to reboot to
    complete the operation. Upon reboot, it works like ghost, imaging before
    the system boots to Windows. I obviously must be doing something wrong if
    I'm getting the same results on all these different systems :^)

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    Chad A. Gross - SBS MVP
    SBS ROCKS!

    http://msmvps.com/cgross
     
    Chad A. Gross [SBS MVP], Jul 4, 2005
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  9. Hot backup needs to be enabled in the program backup settings. It is said to
    work with Windows NT, Windows 2k, and Window XP (but is known to work with
    Windows 2k3 ;-))

    General | Settings > Backup Tab > enable HotBackup.

    I forgot about this .... but as it turns out, I have a paragon image
    scheduled weekly (Saturday) on an SBS2k3 system. It's been running for
    several months now, backup up to a USB drive. I have it scheduled with the
    paragon Scheduler (which adds it to Scheduled Tasks). It overwrites itself
    each week, as there are daily backups with SBSBackup anyway.

    SBSBackup also backs up to the same USB drive, and the USB drive is backed
    up to tape once per week for off-site storage.

    I believe my thinking was (is); in the event of complete server meltdown,
    I'd restore from the image and then refresh data with the most recent
    SBSBackup. As the paragon image goes back on in about 20 minutes, I'd be
    much further ahead time wise, versus having to install w2k3 and SP's to get
    access to NTBackup.

    I'll add that this particular sbs doesn't have SBS SP1 applied, but I don't
    think that's going to matter.
     
    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Jul 4, 2005
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  10. David F

    David F Guest

    Thanks a lot Les,

    Your last remarks about relying on Drive Backup for bare metal restore
    and possible RAID hardware recognition are particularly relevant. We've
    ordered a SuperMicro system with SATA hardware RAID level 1 (WD Raptor
    hds). Hopefully, Paragon has fixed sp1 issues by now.

    David F.

     
    David F, Jul 4, 2005
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  11. Their support is quite responsive, and they do have a list of drive and raid
    types supported on their web site. I've seen SATA in the list (allthough
    that's not yet my choice for servers ;-0). Software raid isn't supported.


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    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Jul 4, 2005
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  12. David F

    David F Guest

    Your backup routine outlined below sounds about the same as I'm
    considering. A local tech suggested getting the backup to disk off the
    server by using a poor man's NAS => Linksys NSLU2 + USB2 ATA drive
    enclosure. End up on tape weekly.

     
    David F, Jul 4, 2005
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  13. You can use NTbackup to get the backups from the USB to tape. In fact, you
    can fiddle with SBSBackp to have it back up to disk (dedicated to backup) 4
    days a week, and to tape on the 5 th. day, by scheduling some regedits. Sean
    Daniel's blog has details on this arrangement, I've implemented it at one
    site and it works just fine.

    It has a few advantages - don't have to swap USBs (which can be problematic
    sometimes), lower tape drive/media costs/issues. The drawback is that a
    worst case scenario (total loss of facility) could result in up to 6 days
    lost data. Not all sites can accept that kind of exposure, but some can.

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    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
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    SBS Rocks !


     
    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Jul 4, 2005
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  14. David F

    David F Guest

    Thanks Les. I started another post about SATA vs SCSI, and MS HCL. I
    hope you can reply to it. Thanks again.
    David

     
    David F, Jul 5, 2005
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  15. David F

    David F Guest

    I do just about like that now, using BE. I do backup-to-disk daily
    differential backups, weekly over-write, and keep them for a month on
    disk. All setup to go automatically. Full backup to tape weekly. Might
    switch to SBSBackup. Want to add boot drive image to the mix.

    What's extremely frustrating is this: Right now I have a flaky system,
    somewhere in the SCSI hardware, already replaced the backplane. Can't
    bear the thought of a full system restore on 6 yr old hardware that is
    about to be replaced. Really wish I had an image of the drive. It's
    really, Really, REALLY disgusting when you use RAID to protect your
    data, and the RAID craps out.

    Went like this RAID 1 for OS, plus hot spare. Raid controller kicks out
    hd in slot 0, then tries to build on hot spare. That fails as well, then
    it shuts down the OS. Happened 3X. Boot to Adaptec raid bios, and it
    says all 3 drives are optimal. Break the raid, and boot from either hd
    in slots 0 & 1. IBM dft says all is well. Rgggh! Just ranting. I'm
    getting to the bottom of it. Don't bother trying to trouble-shoot me.
    Next step, dump the raid controller and go back to mobo built-in scsi
    controller. That'll replace all the scsi hardware. Hmm, maybe this is a
    good time to image the drive, just in case. Then chkdsk, then maybe
    chkdsk /f, possibly after an attempt to backup.

    David

     
    David F, Jul 5, 2005
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  16. David F

    steven Guest

    Hi

    has anyone used

    Paragon Drive Backup 7.0
    Server Edition*

    It is due for full release on 16 th 25 august
    But you can download a demo.

    Would you purchase this verison or just use the professional verison.

    Thanks

    Steven

    Steven
     
    steven, Aug 10, 2005
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