Discussion in 'Windows Update' started by Leo, Oct 7, 2004.

  1. Leo

    Leo Guest

    Wait until all the kinks are fixed. This is an awful
    update and should be downloaded after Microsoft has time
    to fix all of the kinks. Alot of problems!
    To bypass this update make sure your computer is not set
    to download automatically. Download updates yourself and
    DO NOT choose to download SP2.
    Leo, Oct 7, 2004
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  2. Unless you can intelligently post a question regarding
    any issues you had with SP2, please do not post bad
    advice. It does not reflect the flawless installation experience
    of SP2 already performed on millions of computers worldwide.

    Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist

    [Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]

    Carey Frisch
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows XP - Shell/User

    Be Smart! Protect Your PC!



    | Wait until all the kinks are fixed. This is an awful
    | update and should be downloaded after Microsoft has time
    | to fix all of the kinks. Alot of problems!
    | To bypass this update make sure your computer is not set
    | to download automatically. Download updates yourself and
    | DO NOT choose to download SP2.
    Carey Frisch [MVP], Oct 7, 2004
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  3. This is a Microsoft "help"newsgroup.
    Why bother posting here if you cannot
    ask an intelligent question that could
    possibly lead to a solution to a problem
    you have with the Windows XP operating
    system or installing SP2? For starters:

    How to Make a Good Newsgroup Post

    Carey Frisch
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows XP - Shell/User

    Be Smart! Protect Your PC!



    | ARE HAVING. A Microsoft representative told me this so
    | that is why it is posted here!!!! So its not bad advice,
    | its coming from Microsoft themselves.
    Carey Frisch [MVP], Oct 7, 2004
  4. Leo;
    Wait for what?
    The SP-2 available today is the same as SP-2 will be next year.
    If all you do is wait, you are wasting time.
    There will most likely be patches but SP-2 itself will still be the
    You should also research for possible hardware and software
    compatibilities in your computer.
    You should also make sure the computer is ready for SP-2:
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 7, 2004
  5. Kinks fixed? What kinks? I am not sure what you are trying to say.
    SP2 is not going to be reintroduced with all the kinks fixed. ( I take it
    you are having a few problems) There will be updates (hot fixes) coming
    along as real problems are isolated but you will have to have SP2 installed
    to get these updates. Incapability problems with 3rd party software is not
    MSoft's problem. If 3rd party venders want their software to work with SP2,
    then they need to fix it themselves.
    Msoft has tried to make the internet experence a little safer, but if
    you chose not to install SP2, that is your problem. Your poorly protected
    and poorly maintained computer is in its self a danger to the internet. A
    properly maintained computer will have no problems with SP2, but the
    spyware, adware and other junk on unprotected computers makes the install a
    nightmare. This "junk" is not compatible with SP2, hence the major
    I installed with the CD ordered from MSoft. The only major problem was
    with Windows Media Player 10. I went back to WMP 9 and my problems cleared
    right up.
    If you don't know how to clean up your computer and get it ready for SP2
    then just read back in the posts. You will find out the once you get it
    clean you will have no major problems with SP2. The minor ones (if any)
    will be easy to over come. You have all of the help you need to over come
    the problems here.
    All you have to do is ask for help and post the nature of your problem or
    I am so tired of all of the "doom and gloom" about SP2. If your XP is
    legal, the maintance is done right, the "junk" is cleaned up right, and you
    know how to install software correctly the SP2 will be a breeze. And just
    think, once it is installed correctly, the post will no longer be 100's a
    day about SP2. And the constant "Do Not Install" post will just have to go

    "old" devildog
    Simper Fi

    | Wait until all the kinks are fixed. This is an awful
    | update and should be downloaded after Microsoft has time
    | to fix all of the kinks. Alot of problems!
    | To bypass this update make sure your computer is not set
    | to download automatically. Download updates yourself and
    | DO NOT choose to download SP2.
    \old\ devildog, Oct 7, 2004
  6. Leo

    Dutch User Guest


    And XP SP2 is a great security upgrade, if all hardware/3rd party software
    conditions are met.
    I would certainly enjoy buying it preinstalled on a new PC.

    --Off Topic--
    But some OEMs simply leave their customers out in the cold when it
    comes to SPacks and patches issues - eg Medion (, Germany)
    referred me to MS support, claiming on the phone that they "only supported
    the configuration as supplied" - referring to a 2 y.o. pc with XP home....
    I was stunned.

    Fortunatelly MS gives free support on patches,
    but overhere that means a 900-toll line:
    "telefoonnummer - 0900 040 0070 - waar u van 9.00-22.00"

    Is MS aware that many smaller European OEMs believe "support"
    in their XP licencing/support agreement means "use your restore CD
    and whipe everything" if *any installation fails?

    I'm still struggling with a failed GDI update that prevents my C:
    XP partition from booting...
    Dutch User, Oct 7, 2004
  7. Leo

    Curt Guest

    Please pardon the rather lengthy post.

    My SP2 experience has been/is flawless. I've installed it, without issue, on
    6 systems.....two Dells, (a Dimension 2350 with an aftermarket sound card
    and a second HD, and an Inspiron 1100 laptop), and four custom desktops. One
    desktop has an Intel D865PERL mobo and Intel p4 3.0 cpu, the other three
    desktops have Asus mobo's, (a p4p800dlx, p4 2.4 cpu....2 p4s800's, p4 2.4 &
    2.0 cpu's). The desktops have a mixture of ATI/nVidia video cards with
    different amounts of memory, along with different brands and speeds of
    memory from 512mb to 1gb.

    Three of the desktops use onboard audio, the other two employ different
    makes of sound cards. All of the desktops, (5), have two optical drives and
    two HD's. Four of the desktops have a cd and dvd burner along with an
    internal Iomega 250 ZIP drive which require an add-in controller card.

    Security programs are a mixture of Norton's System Works '02&'03, NIS
    '02&'03, AVG, PcCillin', AntiVir, SyGate, AdAware and SpyBot. Other added
    programs include MS Works Suite '02, Word '02, 2 or 3 different photo
    editing programs, Nero 6, Roxio 6 and assorted games. There are quite a few
    other commonly used programs and utilities installed as well. SP2 was
    installed via WU twice, and installed from the 266mb IT download, (burned to
    cd), the remaining four times.

    My obvious point is, with all the varying system configurations, varying
    hardware, security and commonly used programs and different SP2 installed
    methods, one would think that there would have been a glitch somewhere among
    these six installations of SP2, if SP2 was a buggy update. Am I just really
    lucky? I don't think so.....I haven't won the lottery yet.

    I did nothing in the way of preparation for SP2 other than make sure I had
    the latest hardware drivers and perform my weekly routine of system
    maintenance, (defrag, virus scan, spy/malware scan).

    I am not a MS employee, nor am I a computer expert. I'm just an intermediate
    user of 8yrs. or so who
    has learned a lot by researching and reading information in NG's such as
    this one. For those who are experiencing SP2 difficulties, I sympathize.
    However, when you see/read a generalized blanket statement like the subject
    of this post, I think the vast majority of you are wise enough to ignore the
    "Chicken Little" mentality.


    Curt, Oct 8, 2004
  8. Leo

    Dwight Guest

    The over-simplification of the SP2 problems is embraced only by those not
    seriously encumbered by same. Many of us have tried the recommended fixes
    for SP2 XP upgrades advised by Microsoft, MVPs, and others without success
    and are left with damaged machines and software. The point of view that
    Windows XP should be permitted to mutate indiscriminantly through SP2
    upgrades without regard for compatibility with pre-existing 3rd party
    software that was specifically designed for Windows XP and is already
    installed on countless machines around the world, is another way of saying
    "purchase only Microsoft products because they will be the only ones
    supported when the next upgrade comes along." No wonder Microsoft is the
    target of contemporary litigation.
    Dwight, Oct 8, 2004
  9. Dwight;
    No operating system could promise what you suggest.
    Microsoft has no control over what software is available.
    Microsoft has even less control on what software is installed on a
    If Microsoft more tightly controlled what software could be installed,
    perhaps Microsoft could change the name to Apple.

    Microsoft is a target largely for the same reason any large
    corporation is a target...there is a potential for a lot of money.
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 8, 2004
  10. Leo

    Dwight Guest


    You are missing the point. It is not what Microsoft promises or controls
    over software, but rather what it delivers. Misrepresentation of SP2 as a
    security upgrade installation on unsuspecting users, while delivering a
    product that incapacitates existing internet security software (Zone Labs,
    McAfee) and countless other spyware/malware/virus/worm/malware/adware
    software programs under Windows XP for which it was designed, is
    reprehensible. Microsoft had an obligation to the public and 3rd party
    developers to provide a reliable system. That system reliability has now
    been breached by an upgrade making some previous software obsolete. These
    are changes that should have more appropriately been effected through the
    development of a new operating system - not the upgrade of an old operating
    system. XP users and 3rd party developers stand to lose; Microsoft and help
    desks stand to gain. Countless $$$$$$ will be lost insuring compatibility by
    developers who have already bought into the XP OS.
    Dwight, Oct 8, 2004
  11. SP-2 has not been misrepresented.
    SP-2 does no incapacitate those applications.
    Some computers have problems with SP-2, but not all which suggests it
    is the specific computer and not always SP-2.

    SP-2 installs with no problems on a great many computers with the
    applications you listed so they are obviously not obsolete as you
    Your generalizations about programs without referring to versions and
    mostly not even specific brands is valueless since most especially
    newer versions work without a problem at all.
    Your point may have some validity if you listed specific programs with
    their version as well as the specific issue you refer.

    Most applications that have a problem with SP-2 are resolved by simple
    reconfigurations or patches from the manufacturer.

    If you choose not to install SP-2, that is your business, but your
    vague generalizations seem designed solely to scare others from what
    many need.
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 8, 2004
  12. Leo

    Dwight Guest


    Thank you for your reply. The answers to your questions have been found on
    previous posts under my name and others (do a search for a specific question
    using the search window on this site). I am responding to you on a dial-up
    XP for Home Desktop machine with the following running software (free via
    download/or $): SpywareGuard, ZoneAlarm (Zone Labs), Spybot-S&D with
    TeaTimer, AdAware, Qwik-Fix Pro, McAfee VirusScan ($), WinPatrol, SpySweeper,
    BHO Deamon 2.0, CleanCache, Earthlink Spamguard, Earthlink Pop-up Blocker,
    and Start-up Monitor. All Windows XP users can continue to enjoy their
    current level of protection while surfing the internet using XP with SP1 and
    the above programs without risking computer malfunction by "upgrading" to
    Dwight, Oct 8, 2004
  13. Leo

    wolf Guest

    Those that dont have problems with SP2 get mighty high and
    mighty until their computer messes up. Microsoft is indeed
    responsible to make their updates compatible with pre
    existing 3rd party software.
    wolf, Oct 8, 2004
  14. Are you seriously suggesting the Microsoft should or have the resposibility
    to design their operating system around every piece of code ever issued by
    others? If you are, and I think that is what you posted, I suppose the only
    response can be 'get real'!
    Edward W. Thompson, Oct 8, 2004
  15. What 3rd party software are you referring?
    SP-2 is compatible with a great deal of software.
    Compatibility with everything is impossible especially since Microsoft
    has no control what so ever with most of the software written.
    Microsoft has a mandate to make Windows more secure.
    The software manufacturers have been aware of the changes SP-2 would
    make for many months.
    Most made the necessary changes/updates to support their customers.
    Others abandoned their customers to the past.
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 8, 2004
  16. I have a few of those, SpyBot and Ad-Aware and had no problems at all.
    Others have reported no problems with Zone Alarm.

    As far as not needing SP-2, if you are diligent, you can get by
    But tomorrow may be a different story.

    I believe most computers need SP-2 today because all computer users
    are not as diligent as they should be.
    SP-2 does not replace diligence but it does help with features such as
    Security Center and pop up blocker.
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 8, 2004
  17. Leo

    wolf Guest

    So what do you suggest, A 40 pound Paper weight!
    wolf, Oct 8, 2004
  18. The software manufacturers that care about their customers also have a
    Secure computing is not strictly the job of the OS to be bent around
    all existing software.
    If the manufacturers fail, acquire a more current version or change
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 8, 2004
  19. Leo

    Dwight Guest

    Get real? The reality is that users and 3rd party developers expect their
    computers and software to work. A lot of $$$$$$ have been invested. Indeed,
    for most, the expectation was met until the "update" to SP2 was foisted upon
    the public and 3rd party software competitors with Microsoft. Now users are
    having problems getting their software to work, and non-Microsoft businesses
    that developed software to be compatible with XP are being injured by the SP2
    update. The original businesses that developed software for XP will have to
    scramble to develop fixes for their programs under SP2, while the cottage
    industry of security improvements (neglected by Microsoft) for XP with SP1 is
    left out in the cold. Where is the justice?
    Dwight, Oct 8, 2004
  20. Leo

    wolf Guest

    Jupiter, You must work for Microsoft. AM I right?
    wolf, Oct 8, 2004
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