Discussion in 'Windows Update' started by Leo, Oct 7, 2004.

  1. I am not now and never have been employed by Microsoft.
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 8, 2004
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  2. SP-2 is not "foisted" on anyone.
    The businesses that "will have to scramble to develop fixes" now
    wasted the last several months when they should have been working on
    the fixes.
    If they really cared, they would not have waited for the release of
    SP-2 to start work, they should have been about finished.
    Those that are out in the cold, put themselves there by not using the
    last several months.
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 8, 2004
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  3. Leo

    Geordie Guest

    I actually do work for the almighty software giant and think you're
    doing a F.A.B job Jupiter!! SP2 rocks!! all software has bugs...even the
    'perfect' Mozilla!

    My advice ... upgrade to SP2, if you have software which is incompatible
    then check he manufacturers site for an update.
    Geordie, Oct 8, 2004
  4. Leo

    wolf Guest

    Well here we go again. Instead of trying to help us fix
    our computers, you want us to get rid of all 3rd party
    software. Because guess what, most 3rd party software is
    freeware and can they can not afford to upgrade their
    product that prior to SP2 worked perfectly. SP2 is the
    REAL problem, Just because some got lucky doesnt mean it
    works. For every person that says it works there is way
    more that say it destroyed thier computer. Just read the
    wolf, Oct 8, 2004
  5. TROLL
    [email protected], Oct 8, 2004
  6. TROLL

    [email protected], Oct 8, 2004
  7. Microsoft only sells the operating system and nothing else

    get real
    [email protected], Oct 8, 2004
  8. Microsoft only sells the operating system
    so get real

    how can you expect MS to be responsible for 3rd party applications?

    If your arguements hold true,
    then I develop a 3rd party application and then it wouldn't run under WinXP
    and then I sue MS and get judgement against MS

    [email protected], Oct 8, 2004
  9. Damaged machine? How can the SP2 upgrade damage hardware? I have over 30
    years working on both hardware and software. I have never had normal
    software damage hardware. back in the "old" days, virus would format your
    hard drive, and other fun things, but I never work on a computer system that
    the software cause a HD, MOB, or other hardware to burn up. If you clean up
    the junk on your machine, defrag, deep scan antivirus, then back up your
    machine "just"in case, I expect you will have a normal upgrade to SP 2. But
    trying to scare away the ones who know little about online security is
    foolish. As far as I can tell the only ones who don't want SP2 are the
    "criminals" out there running their "robot" networks, and others who like to
    hack into someone's private computer. Are you one of these? I hope not. I
    hope you are just one of the uninformed masses who make decisions based on
    bad information.
    I think computer viruses should count as life.
    I think it says something about human nature
    that the only form of life we have created so
    far is purely destructive. We've created life in our
    own image.
    - - Stephen W. Hawking
    "old" devildog
    Simper Fi

    | ""old" devildog" wrote:
    | > If you don't know how to clean up your computer and get it ready for
    | > then just read back in the posts. You will find out the once you get it
    | > clean you will have no major problems with SP2. The minor ones (if
    | > will be easy to over come. You have all of the help you need to over
    | > the problems here.
    | > All you have to do is ask for help and post the nature of your problem
    | > problems.
    | > I am so tired of all of the "doom and gloom" about SP2. If your XP
    | > legal, the maintance is done right, the "junk" is cleaned up right, and
    | > know how to install software correctly the SP2 will be a breeze. And
    | > think, once it is installed correctly, the post will no longer be 100's
    | > day about SP2. And the constant "Do Not Install" post will just have to
    | > away.
    | >
    | > ************
    | > "old" devildog
    | > Simper Fi
    | > ************
    | The over-simplification of the SP2 problems is embraced only by those not
    | seriously encumbered by same. Many of us have tried the recommended fixes
    | for SP2 XP upgrades advised by Microsoft, MVPs, and others without success
    | and are left with damaged machines and software. The point of view that
    | Windows XP should be permitted to mutate indiscriminantly through SP2
    | upgrades without regard for compatibility with pre-existing 3rd party
    | software that was specifically designed for Windows XP and is already
    | installed on countless machines around the world, is another way of saying
    | "purchase only Microsoft products because they will be the only ones
    | supported when the next upgrade comes along." No wonder Microsoft is the
    | target of contemporary litigation.
    \old\ devildog, Oct 8, 2004
  10. "Just read the forums"
    And who goes to the forums?
    What reason do the people successfully using SP-2 need to search out a
    People generally bring their computer problems to forum, not their
    So their being a large number of issues on forums really tells nothing
    of the success/failure rate.

    Most 3rd party software works, at least what I use.

    Whether it is paid or free is not relevant.
    If the software is not compatible, the manufacturer needs to take
    action if their is concern for their customers.
    This action should have been started many months ago.

    If you think "is the REAL problem", don't install it, that is entirely
    your choice.

    You are wrong with "some got lucky", there is no such thing as luck,
    good or bad.
    However there is preparation.
    The effects of preparation may seem like luck to those who depend on
    luck instead of preparation for success.
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 8, 2004
  11. Leo

    Curt Guest

    No intelligent reply I see. Troll indeed.
    Curt, Oct 8, 2004
  12. Leo

    Don Burnette Guest

    Uh oh, dang, I have had SP2 downloaded and installed for some time now.
    Works great, solid, no problems.

    I guess I better uninstall it based on this latest breaking news then?
    Don Burnette, Oct 9, 2004
  13. I have installed sp2 on several different systems and as yet I have had no
    problems with it. Could it be that the systems that had problems were not
    correct to start with?

    merlin the wizard, Oct 9, 2004
  14. Leo

    WOLF Guest

    There you go again. A microsoft commercial. How about some
    help instead. I dont even have any 3rd party software on
    it and it still corrupts itself eventually refusing to
    even boot.
    WOLF, Oct 9, 2004
  15. It is customary to detail specific issues you have.
    This post of your is as close as you got, but still to general.
    Looking back in this thread, I do not see anything about a specific
    All there is from you is generalized complaining with no facts.
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 10, 2004
  16. Leo

    Khylor Guest

    I wouldn't quite say flawless. It doesn't realize my antivirus is active,
    popups are blocked (unless I hold down Ctrl), and I'm needlessly firewalled
    behind a router. But if I was directly connected, as many people are, it
    wouldn't be an entirely bad thing to be firewalled. As for the glitches,
    yeah, I had some stupid game get blocked by the firewall, clicked on Allow...
    problem fixed. Unfortunately, I know this is apparantly too technical for
    some users, but come on now, it's not entirely the Microsoft's fault; there's
    probably a loose nut behind the keyboard that's causing all these problems.

    Khylor, Oct 13, 2004
  17. If the Security Center does not monitor your anti virus, contact them
    to see if your version will have the necessary update.
    This is an update the AV manufacturer need to make.
    The Security Center not monitoring your AV in no way reduces the
    functionality of you AV.
    You can turn off the warning:
    Start/All Programs/Accessories/System Tools/Security Center
    Click "Change the way..." on the left side.
    Make selections as desired.

    Jupiter Jones [MVP]

    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 14, 2004
  18. Leo

    JosephKK Guest

    Hwy you little cry baby, if you want all your software to be free go to
    Linux or FreeBSD for your OS and quit cluttering up this NG. Besides in my
    Linux environments i have yet to encounter any update/upgrade that requires
    a reboot to finish installing. Further, if SP2 "broke" something it is
    probably time to replace it (or go back to Win98). besides the current
    *nix WINE runs old legacy applications pretty well now.

    JosephKK, Oct 14, 2004
  19. Leo

    JosephKK Guest

    That seems a bit strange with your reputed experience. I have had software
    damage (about a dozen times) and in two cases destroy (render permanently
    inoperable due to software inflicted damage) hardware. If you read the
    specifications, PCI, USB, IEEE1394 (firewire) hardware, and who knows how
    many others are capable of being damaged by incorrectly written software.
    it is clearly stated in the very specifications themselves. With the bug
    rate in normal software i am surprised that you have not seen this.

    BTW i started working on computer based systems in 1972.

    JosephKK, Oct 14, 2004
  20. Leo

    PB Guest

    I have now installed SP2 onto around 50 XP PCs on my domain. I have had a
    problem with two PCs, one PC which had a problem was an unreliable PC to
    start with and the other is a high powered gamers PC bought by my CEO and
    installed with several proprierory items of software which were most likely
    the cause of the problems.

    In general, I am happy with SP2, the installation of the service pack and
    the security advantages it offers.
    PB, Oct 14, 2004
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