Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Talk' started by 98 Guy, Aug 22, 2008.

  1. 98 Guy

    Ringmaster Guest

    Well duh, I don't speak German fluently but if you look on the 3rd
    item of the above link is shows basically the same thing the English
    version shows. Which is giving you a CHOICE between Live file system
    and the other choice.

    If you want to split hairs there is a Next button, but immediately to
    the left of it is the line that's clickable that shows the two
    available choices.

    If you don't like how it's presented complain to Microsoft. I'm just
    trying to help you understand.
     
    Ringmaster, Aug 23, 2008
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  2. 98 Guy

    98 Guy Guest

    It's Dutch, but that doesn't matter. The author translates everything
    into English.
    The point being that the first burn dialog box DOESN'T warn the user
    that he has a choice and that the default burn setting will not be
    compatible with other versions of Windows (or any other operating system
    for that matter).
    You still haven't explained if the default burn setting would produce
    disks that are readable by XP.

    And if it doesn't, then why not? Don't you think that would create a
    lot of consumer support issues?
     
    98 Guy, Aug 23, 2008
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  3. Frank is absolutely right. He's all for the one brain cell moron
    crowd. That after all is Frank's people. The Yanaire and Spanky
    assholes of this world. That's why they all love Vista. They're simply
    too damn stupid to know how screwed up Vista is. Monkeys only worry
    about where their next banana is coming from. Anything more
    complicated then that and they just squeal, yell and scream.

    That a boy Frank, now you're finally communicating!
     
    Frank's Keeper, Aug 23, 2008
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  4. 98 Guy

    Ringmaster Guest

    You're arguing with the wrong guy. I think Vista is more screwed-up
    than almost anybody. You're splitting hairs. You're choosing to ignore
    an embedded link that leads to a choice that is clearly shown BEFORE
    Vista starts the copy process. If or not the next button should have
    come before or after is really irrelevant. You can lead a horse to
    water but you can't make him drink.
     
    Ringmaster, Aug 23, 2008
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  5. 98 Guy

    98 Guy Guest

    And you STILL haven't said if the default burn setting for Vista would
    produce a disk that is readable by XP.
    Let's leave aside the clarity (or logic) of the Vista dialog box
    presentation.

    Just answer this question:

    Does the default burn setting for Vista produce disks that are readable
    by XP?
     
    98 Guy, Aug 23, 2008
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  6. 98 Guy

    Ringmaster Guest

    The best answer you can get is a MAYBE. Again directly from Vista's
    own Burn a Disc window.

    The default is SET to Live File System and reads:

    Live File system - Allows you to add and erase files, like a USB flash
    drive. Might not be readable on operating systems before Windows XP.

    The optional choice reads:

    Mastered - Readable on all computers and some CD/DVD players. Requires
    you to write all files at once, and individual files can't be erased
    afterwards.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I understand you not having Vista you don't see this. It further goes
    on to provide a link to Vista help which brings up a detailed list of
    available choices detailed below. What follows is Microsoft's words
    not mine:

    Understanding the difference between the Live File System and Mastered
    disc formats

    If you have burned CDs using Windows XP, you are already familiar with
    the Mastered format. The latest version of Windows offers a new
    format, called Live File System. Discs that use the Live File System
    format are often more convenient because you can copy selected files
    immediately and as often as you want, as if the disc were a floppy
    disc or USB flash drive. On the other hand, Live File System discs
    can’t be used in all computers and devices. Use this guide to
    understand the difference between Live File System and Mastered discs:

    Discs formatted with the Live File System option:

    Work like a USB flash drive or floppy disk, meaning you can copy files
    to disc immediately without having to burn them.

    Are convenient if you want to keep a disc in the burn drive and copy
    files whenever the need arises.

    Are only compatible with Windows XP and later versions of Windows.

    Discs formatted with the Mastered option:
    Don’t copy files immediately, meaning you need to select the entire
    collection of files that you want to copy to the disc, and then burn
    them all at once.

    Are convenient if you want to burn a large collection of files, such
    as a music CD.

    Are compatible with older computers and devices such as CD players and
    DVD players.

    Why are there different versions of the Live File System format?
    Each version of the Live File System format is compatible with
    different operating systems. Depending on which computers you plan to
    use a disc in, you might need to select a different version of Live
    File System. If you plan to use your disc on the latest version of
    Windows, however, you will never need to change the version of Live
    File System you use. If you need to make discs that are compatible
    with earlier versions of Windows, use the table below to select the
    right Live File System version for your needs:

    There's more, I didn't copy.
     
    Ringmaster, Aug 24, 2008
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  7. A CD that is not closed can be accessed (or closed) by any machine that has
    CD mastering capability. There are no bits left over on the hard drive and
    reinstalling the OS or CD drivers would not affect the ability to access the
    disk and add more data to it, or to close it.

    Because it is not closed the directory (actually, the TOC) needs to be
    accessed in a special way. However, this also means that the directory can
    be rewritten to include both new material and the original files, so it is
    possible (at some waste of space) to add data to a mastered CD that has not
    been closed. Once it is closed the standard directory (TOC) gets written
    and new material cannot be added, but it becomes accessible to any hardware
    that can read a mastered CD.

    See, for instance:
    http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq02.html#S2-19
     
    Jeff Richards, Aug 24, 2008
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