Domain vs Stand alone workgroup server

Discussion in 'Windows Small Business Server' started by Northwoods, Oct 10, 2006.

  1. Northwoods

    Northwoods Guest

    We just received a Dell preloaded sbs 2003 premium. Before we integrated into
    the network, we needed to set it up with sql running a property management
    system and 4 computers for training purposes. We did not want to setup the
    server with users, computers and licenses yet, so we just downgraded the
    server to a stand alone workgroup server.
    I didn't realize that we would lose management services. How do we get it
    Eventually this will be an application server only. There is another server
    running sbs that will be the domain controller. Should I leave the
    application server as is? or change it back to domain?
    Any help most appreciated
    Northwoods, Oct 10, 2006
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    You cannot run SBS as anything other than a DC; it will not work. And you
    can't have two SBS servers in the sounds like you bought the
    wrong product. If you needed a SQL server only, you should have bought
    Windows & SQL. I'd see if you can return the server to Dell & exchange it.
    Lanwench [MVP - Exchange], Oct 10, 2006
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  3. Northwoods

    Northwoods Guest

    Thank you for the quick reply. As it stands now the server is functioning,
    but what you are telling me is that it is basically functioning as a client
    not a server and I am paying $1500.00 for sql. Is that right? Can you please
    explain to me why I can't have 2 SBS on the same network?
    Northwoods, Oct 10, 2006
  4. Northwoods

    Steve Guest

    What do you want explained? Its a basic limitation built-in to SBS. You
    should do more research about the products you're buying before actually
    Steve, Oct 10, 2006
  5. Northwoods

    cjobes Guest

    You can have 2 SBS on the same network, just not the same domain. This is an
    SBS limitation. You can also not set up any domain trust between an SBS
    domain and any other domain.
    cjobes, Oct 10, 2006
  6. Northwoods

    Northwoods Guest

    OK. So I have a server running sbs premium that is using only sql, is that
    right? When I bring in another server running SBS as the Domain Controller
    everything should be OK, except we just paid $1500.00 for an OS that we are
    not using, right? As a stand alone, I can join the SQL Server to the Domain
    of the New Server running SBS, no?
    Northwoods, Oct 10, 2006
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    Sounds like it - and it won't work. You can't use it if you want it to be
    part of your existing domain at all.
    Nope.... sorry.

    Unless you want two totally separate SBS servers with two different active
    directory domains (and two sets of user accounts, and CALs for each user or
    device on each domain), you need to try to return your SBS and get regular
    W2003 and SQL.

    You can't set up two SBS boxes in the same domain, you can't use an SBS box
    as a member server (or standalone server), and you can't set up trusts with
    SBS. You've got the wrong product.
    Lanwench [MVP - Exchange], Oct 10, 2006
  8. Northwoods

    Northwoods Guest

    OK I am starting to get the picture but this is the scoop. The current sbs
    server was sent by the software company to host their PMS software. I can't
    change that now. We thought we could use the same server for files & exchange
    but they won't let us, so we need another server. What do we do?
    Northwoods, Oct 10, 2006
  9. Northwoods

    Northwoods Guest

    Another question, no problem for two domains with users, cals etc. That is
    not a problem, however now I have to get the sql server back to a domain
    server. Can I do that without reinstalling the OS? The PMS company has
    already loaded their software and set it up to the client computers.
    Northwoods, Oct 10, 2006
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    You could look into the transition pack, maybe. I think this would unlock
    the current SBS config so you can use it and its components without SBS. Or,
    buy W2003 and SQL, regular products, and CALs for same, and flatten &
    reinstall the box.

    I don't know what software company would be sending you a server, but this
    should've been looked at carefully before you guys ordered it, it seems!
    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but there's no easy way around this.
    Lanwench [MVP - Exchange], Oct 10, 2006
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    Are you sure? I would never want that - you really want to maintain two sets
    of accounts/passwords for each user? That is a bad plan. I suspect you will
    also run into DNS problems.
    I have no idea, sorry. I have never tried to do what you're doing.
    Lanwench [MVP - Exchange], Oct 10, 2006
  12. Northwoods

    Northwoods Guest

    OK for the two domains, two AD's Cals etc. However, how do I get the server
    from stand alone to domain without reinstalling the OS? The PMS Company has
    loaded their software on the server already and to the clients.
    Northwoods, Oct 10, 2006
  13. This PMS software company needs to take some responsbility here
    If they sent you a server with SBS 2003 as the operating system and then
    failed to add the other components, make it the (using old terminology) the
    Primary Domain Controller, etc. then they have violated the End User License
    Agreement for SBS and need to resolve that.

    They have pretty much put you between the rock and a hard place.

    If you complete the domain setup on "their" server, its likely to "break"
    their software.
    Cris Hanna[SBS-MVP], Oct 10, 2006
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    Agreed. I would not use this server (or SBS on this server) as is. I think
    the OP should tell the PMS software people to take the server back and
    replace it with the right box. There is no way that this is going to be an
    easy config even if they can dcpromo the box - I'd never allow it myself.
    Lanwench [MVP - Exchange], Oct 10, 2006
  15. You have no choice. Reinstall the OS. But seriously, this is the wrong way
    to do things entirely, and I would first and foremost have a discussion with
    your PMS software company. They should NEVER use SBS as the underlying OS if
    they tell you that you can't run Exchange or File and Print on it. That's
    just _stupid_ and won't work in just about anyone's network.
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Oct 10, 2006
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