Dual Boot FAQ please

Discussion in 'Windows 64 Bit' started by D. Castano, Nov 20, 2005.

  1. D. Castano

    D. Castano Guest

    Charlie, Andre, Carlos, anyone else,

    There were a bunch of postings on the public MS 64bit newsgroup about dual
    booting a while ago but I didn't save them (yeah, dumb me). Of course, now
    I'm looking to dual boot and cannot find the info.

    Would any of you happen to have a pointer to those messages or the
    information in them in your own sites or could one of you post something
    like a "dual boot primer" to the MS public group? I saw someone else asking
    the question this morning (Sunday 11-20-05). What ever happened to those
    FAQ files that used to remain active in newsgroups? Thanks!

    Regards,

    Diego
     
    D. Castano, Nov 20, 2005
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  2. Maratonmannen, Nov 20, 2005
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  3. Like D. Castano, install the oldest version first, the latest last, and
    remember to install both operating systems on separate partitions, which
    means you would need to create the partition in XP x86 first, minimum
    partition size for XP x86 recommended is about 20GBs. After installing XP
    x86, boot from XP Pro x64 CD you will launch into the text based setup
    similar XP x86, load any necessary F6 drivers for SATA/RAID hard disk so
    that it can be recognized by XP Pro x64.
     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Nov 20, 2005
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  4. Just scan down the messages about a dozen or so.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Nov 20, 2005
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  5. If I ever get caught up, I'll do a detailed blog on it. It's come up enough
    to make it worth the effort.
     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Nov 20, 2005
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  6. D. Castano

    D. Castano Guest

    Thanks Max, Andre, Colin and Charlie.

    However, my case is a bit different than the posting you refer to, Colin. I
    guess I should have started at the beginning rather than sending you all in
    a goose chase. Sorry.

    So here's the whole story. When I built my latest machine I got a new hard
    drive where I installed XP64. Then I dragged my old hard drive from my old
    clunker (with XP32 on it) and installed it in my new machine. I didn't
    think about dual booting then but now, after working with XP64 for a bit, I
    find that I cannot burn CDs to either of my 2 LG burners (1 IDE, 1 USB and
    they are both recognized and both work ok except for burning). The burning
    software I have (Nero/InCD) doesn't seem to be friendly to XP64. Hmmm, I'm
    assuming that's the problem.

    So I was thinking that one way to solve the problem was to boot XP32 when I
    need to burn CDs and then just go back to XP64. From what I've read, I may
    have to start over to get this messy thing to work (unless someone out there
    has other brilliant ideas).

    Or, maybe there already is some CD/DVD burning software that plays well with
    XP64 out there. Anyone knows of one?

    Thanks,

    Diego
     
    D. Castano, Nov 21, 2005
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  7. I don't think INCD is compatible with x64. For the best

    Now for the Dual boot reconfiguration. John Barnes wrote the following:

    You will have some problems. The boot.ini won't reflect both systems, for
    one. Just make copies of ntldr and ntdetect.com in a new folder on your
    system
    drive. Install the XP32 system normally (on your second drive). When it
    boots to the XP32 system, you can go to explorer and copy the saved files
    over the ones on your system drive. Go to system properties / startup and
    make sure that both systems are in the boot.ini and either fix it there (if
    necessary) or use the Recovery Console to fix the boot.ini.
     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Nov 21, 2005
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  8. The native cd burning works. InCD, like other packet writing programs does
    not work.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Nov 21, 2005
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  9. D. Castano

    D. Castano Guest

    Pardon my ignorance but I'm not familiar with how to access the native cd
    burning app. Can you point me in its direction?

    Thanks,

    Diego

     
    D. Castano, Nov 21, 2005
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  10. Open Help and Support (from the Start menu, right side) and notice the
    Search field in the upper left. Type "burn cd" and links will show up in
    the left panel under Pick a Task and Overviews, Articles, and Tutorials.

    --
    Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
    (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Nov 21, 2005
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  11. D. Castano

    Ted Guest

    Ted, Nov 21, 2005
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  12. D. Castano

    D. Castano Guest

    Thanks Ted. Do you know if iTunes will talk to Write CDs?
     
    D. Castano, Nov 21, 2005
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  13. D. Castano

    D. Castano Guest

    Thanks Ted. Do you know if iTunes will talk to Write CDs?
     
    D. Castano, Nov 21, 2005
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  14. D. Castano

    Ted Guest

    I thought iTunes is a subscription to buy music.
    How does a CD writer would talk to iTunes ?
    Just curious, personally I more into buying albums, never
    got into iPod or iTunes much.
     
    Ted, Nov 21, 2005
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  15. Hi, yes this would be really, really useful.

    There is also the article by Barb Bowman on Dual installation here:
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/64bit/bowman_05nov07.mspx
    Dear to my heart because I have a Ferrari 4005 - unfortunately pre-installed
    with XP Pro x64. Because now I think I need to set-up a dual boot with XP Pro
    (86) as the first OS.
    I do software development and need to support a lot of VB6 legacy code - and
    almost ALL my VB6 OCXs fail registration in Windows 64.

    This dual boot change means (I think, unless someone knows a way of swapping
    x64 to drive D: from C: !)
    1) removing everything I have already installed.
    2) buying both XP Pro (86) and another copy of XP Pro x64 - because for some
    reason Acer do not supply the install CDs for x64 - this just stinks -
    suppliers that do this should be Blacklisted.
    3) reformat both partitions and follow standard oldest-first dual boot
    installation.

    I would have used the excellent and superb HyperOS
    (http://www.hyperossystems.co.uk/) but, unfortunately it doesn't support 64
    bit (yet).

    So, a FAQ or Blog on this would be great.

    Thanks
     
    [email protected], Nov 21, 2005
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  16. D. Castano

    Randy Guest

    Acer didn't even copy the install disk images onto the hard drive for you?
    And you paid what for it???

    I'd highly suggest ghosting the hard drive before doing anything else, both
    to prepare for the inevitable crash that will occur one day, and so that you
    don't have to buy another copy of x64 Windows.

    Using that should allow a rather simple restore of x64 after installing x32
    Windows, with maybe some editing of your boot files as has been described
    numerous times in this newsgroup. You really shouldn't need to re-format and
    then re-install x64 after installing x32.
     
    Randy, Nov 21, 2005
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  17. D. Castano

    John Barnes Guest

    Many here use Nero. Just don't try to install the INCD.
    As to dual booting, you have both x64 and x86 on your machine now from
    different installs and just want to boot to either.
    I assume you are set up to boot to x64, so the easiest way to add x86 if it
    is visible would be to go into recovery console and execute a fixboot
    /rebuild
    that will add the bootable Windows system to your bootup screen. Later you
    can clean it up in system properties/advanced/startup
     
    John Barnes, Nov 21, 2005
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    roman modic Guest

    Hello!

    I think that this can be done with careful planning! :>
    Are you sure that there is not an image of x64 CD on your disk. Or maybe
    there is a hidden partition with ISO image...

    Servus, Roman
     
    roman modic, Nov 21, 2005
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  19. After installing XP x86, boot from XP Pro x64 CD you will launch into the
    I've hosed my home machine over the weekend trying to do just that. Here's
    the story...I'll try to keep it short, but I do have to get into some
    installation sequence details...

    I've been running XP Pro (32-bit) on a RAID-1 SATA setup for months
    problem-free. After I installed the OS on the RAIDed SATA drives (a pair of
    250GB Western Digital drives), I moved two older IDE drives I had at the
    time in another machine (120 and 160GB) into this one so I could use them as
    plain data drives.

    The only "somewhat odd" thing I had with this setup was XP identifying the
    IDE drives as drive 0 and drive 1, followed by the SATA RAID (drive 2) on
    which the OS itself is running. My BIOS doesn't appear to let me choose
    (permanently) between the IDE and SATA drives in the boot sequence unless I
    hit F8, so it always tries to boot off the IDE drive first, gives up, and
    then loads from the SATA drives. No biggie.

    For the record, the motherboard is an ASUS A8N-E (939 socket with Nvidia
    chipset). I'm using its own (hardware-based) RAID setup, *not* XP's
    software RAID.

    Last weekend I decided to give XP64 a try as I have access to it through my
    MSDN Universal subscription, and I have some software I'll have to port over
    to Win64 in the future. I grabbed the latest 64-bit drivers from Nvidia's
    site (one hefty 30MB file, which contains drivers for everything from the
    onboard Ethernet to onboard audio, IDE, SATA, etc), created a floppy with
    the 64-bit SATA RAID drivers, popped in the CD, hit F6, loaded the drivers,
    and installed the whole OS, without any error being reported along the way.
    Great, I thought...

    When the OS came up for the first time, one of the very first dialog boxes
    that came up was the hardware wizard complaining it couldn't load the RAID
    driver. Indeed, Explorer showed every single RAIDed partition twice (!!!!)
    and the Logical Disk Manager showed two independent 250GB drives with the
    exact same partitions (DOH!) operating simultaneously.

    I reran the whole 30+MB Nvidia driver setup program, and let it install all
    the drivers it thought it needed. I rebooted, and Explorer showed only a
    single 250GB drive. "Better", I thought, but I was still worried about the
    Win32 setup, since I had an OS running (albeit very briefly) and thinking
    these were two independent drives.

    So I tried to reboot into XP x86. BSOD. Tried again in safe mode--BSOD.
    Meanwhile, XP x64 was still perfectly functional and could access anything
    off the RAIDed drives. But since the x86 OS wasn't functional, there wasn't
    an awful lot I could do to try to fix it.

    I ran the setup from the x86 CD and got to the recovery console. I managed
    to get there, but scratched my head trying to figure out what my real
    options were at this point...

    So I reran the x86 setup again, and tried to reinstall on top of itself (of
    course, loading the 32-bit RAID driver at the F6 prompt). After 4
    consecutive installs (each taking over half an hour), only to be greeted by
    a BSOD at the first reboot each time, I gave up, went to the BIOS's RAID
    setup, broke the RAID and recreated it. Only then did XP x86 manage to get
    installed without failing. Of course by then everything was gone.

    Now...I haven't lost a single byte of data as every data file I care about
    had been diligently backed up on another machine that morning, but I did
    have to spend the rest of the weekend reinstalling all my software (not to
    mention I'll be spending the next couple of days going through all the usual
    OS tweaks). More than slightly miffed, once XP x86 was back up and running,
    I nuked the x64 installation from the IDE drive and swore not to ever try to
    dual-boot a RAIDed setup ever again... >:-(

    So...what went wrong? I'm sure there's a REALLY stupid assumption from my
    part in there somewhere (once I know what it is, you can all point and
    laugh) :) but I can't quite figure it out. If I have a *hardware* RAID set
    up, and the OS's driver fails to load, then surely the OS "should" simply
    not see the drives at all, instead of showing two independent drives?
    Again, x64 was installed on the primary IDE drive (drive 0), while the
    RAIDed drives are SATA (identified simply as "drive 2" by Logical Disk
    Manager)...

    Thoughts?
     
    Homer J. Simpson, Nov 21, 2005
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  20. D. Castano

    Carlos Guest

    Hi Diego:
    Sorry for my belated answer.
    I see all the cool guys that hang around here have already briefed you.
    Just one more recommendation.
    I like to reserve an aditional partition for "My Documents", "Favorites" and
    Outlook's "outlook.pst".
    This way whenever I have to do a clean install, I don't lose (or have to
    backup) my valuable information.
    Just format the partition where the OS and app's reside.
    My important info does not lie there.
    Carlos
     
    Carlos, Nov 22, 2005
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