Dual Boot XP/Vista - any known problems with Vista interfering with XP MBR?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Geoff, Mar 26, 2007.

  1. Geoff

    Geoff Guest

    Dual Booting XP Pro (SP2)/Vista Ultimate with VistaBoot Pro. Know about the
    problems relating to XP destroying restore points in Vista, but has anyone
    experienced problems the other way around (i.e. Vista (or Vista BootPro)
    messing with the XP MBR (or similar))?

    Clean installed retail Vista a few days ago, and every day since I have had
    to do a system restore before I could get XP to boot but no problems with
    restarts during the day, just when I start up first thing. Have been using
    RC1 & RC2 without any problems until now.

    It's starting to become a PITA, but cannot avoid the dual boot as I have
    essential legacy software that will not run under Vista or VPC2007

    Anyone any suggestions?


    Geoff
     
    Geoff, Mar 26, 2007
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  2. Geoff I've been dual booting Win XP Pro and Vista Ultimate since January
    2006 when Vista was in early beta and have never had any problems. When
    Vista went RTM (release to manufacturer) I used VistaBootPro to remove the
    Vista bootloader then uninstalled the RC2 and installed the retail version
    of Vista Ultimate. As soon as that was done and everything was activated and
    working correctly I imaged my drive and, when necessary, i have used that
    backup image ever since. In fact, i re-imaged the drive on Sunday because
    i'd installed Longhorn Server beta to create a triple boot and Server messed
    up my anti virus by turning it off. Even triple booting with XP Vista and
    Longhorn Server didn't cause any boot problems.

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    Malcolm H Guest

    Shouldn't it be up to the MVPs to do this?


     
    Malcolm H, Mar 26, 2007
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  4. Geoff

    Tom Willett Guest

    Why would you think so?

    | Shouldn't it be up to the MVPs to do this?
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    Tom Willett, Mar 26, 2007
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  5. Geoff

    Geoff Guest

    Thanks. This is exactly what I've done (apart from imaging the drive). It
    may be a coincidental hardware problem but I don't like coincidences
    especially as the problem only reared its head after installing RTM. I
    started using RC1/RC2 in May 2006 and apart from early problems with the
    modified NTFS and Acronis Disk Director, until now have had no problems with
    Vista or XP, and apart from my legacy software not running, am more than
    happy with Vista.

    It might not be significant but one major difference between my various beta
    instals and the RTM instal, that I had not thought about until now, is that
    on previous instals, without exception, Vista always defaulted to being the
    C: Drive, this instal has not; all drives have exactly the same mapping as
    in XP (i.e. XP = C: Drive, Vista = D: Drive etc.) - could this indicate a
    problem with the instal ?

    Geoff
     
    Geoff, Mar 26, 2007
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  6. Geoff

    Malcolm H Guest

    I would gladly file a bug report myself but after trawling the MS web pages
    it is not clear to me how to do it. In any case I am merely a frustrated
    customer not a 'Most Valued Professional' !

    Surely reports from people with specific credentials and experience in the
    field should carry more weight with MS hopefully resulting in corrective
    action?

    Malcolm H
     
    Malcolm H, Mar 26, 2007
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  7. Geoff

    Malcolm H Guest

    I too have a similar dual boot setup and am experiencing XP removing restore
    points in Vista.

    Please can you elaborate on your solution. What is VistaBootPro and what is
    RC2?

    I have Vista Home Premium (OEM version)

    Thanks

    Malcolm H
     
    Malcolm H, Mar 26, 2007
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  8. Geoff

    jim Guest

    I would suggest you file a bug complaint about the
    dual boot - restore point eating bug to microsoft...

    if perhaps every single person on this globe even the linux and mac users
    complain about it, then perhaps, perhaps
    microsoft will get its a** off its snobish little throne
    and fix this problem.

    Currently this bug has been reported to them again and again and again and
    again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again
    and again and again
    but they just ignore it....

    Heck you want microsft to be compatible with 3rd party
    applications? It cant even be compatible with its own products!
     
    jim, Mar 26, 2007
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  9. Geoff

    ...winston Guest

    :I too have a similar dual boot setup and am experiencing XP removing restore
    : points in Vista.
    :
    : Please can you elaborate on your solution. What is VistaBootPro and what is
    : RC2?
    :
    : I have Vista Home Premium (OEM version)

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    System Restore Dual Boot XP/Vista
    http://bertk.mvps.org/html/dualboot.html

    VistaBootPro
    http://www.vistabootpro.org/

    RC2 was beta version Vista(Release Canidate 2)
     
    ...winston, Mar 26, 2007
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  10. They haven't ignored it, Jim. They simple will not fix it because it
    requires to much code alteration in Windows XP

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    John Barnett MVP, Mar 26, 2007
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  11. Now that is strange, because whichever operating system you use should
    automatically default to C: "when in use". If you were booting to Vista then
    it should be Vista C: and XP D:. If you booted to XP it should be XP C: and
    Vista D:

    Have you checked where the boot manager files are located? They are hidden
    so you need to use the show hidden files and folder option and also show
    system files. The boot manager folder and files should be on your XP
    partition, not on the Vista partition.

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    John Barnett MVP, Mar 26, 2007
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  12. As far as the C: or D: driver assignment, it depends on how you install Vista.
    If you install Vista by booting from the DVD, it will always grab "C:".
    If you install Vista by opening the DVD from within XP, it will keep XP's
    drive letter assignment.

    Gary VanderMolen
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Mar 26, 2007
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    Lee Guest

    The answer is to hide Vista from XP and vice-versa. It *can* theoretically
    be done with hardware and BIOS manipulations, but BootitNG is the slickest
    way. See Bert K's response.
     
    Lee, Mar 26, 2007
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    Don Guest

    Geoff wrote:
    [...]
    It would make me suspicious, yes. Vista wants to be C: unless you make
    special efforts to change it. If you made no such efforts then suspect
    a problem somewhere.
     
    Don, Mar 26, 2007
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  15. Geoff

    Geoff Guest

    The boot manager files are on the XP Drive as they should be. Now I think
    about it, what Gary says above does figure; all my beta instals were done by
    booting with the installation DVD as I had problems with installing from
    within XP (put it down to being Beta) but the RTM version was in fact
    installed from within XP.

    There's no event logs relating to boot failures and am beginning to think
    that it is either a coincidental hardware or driver problem and will have do
    some fault finding.

    Thanks for your replies


    Geoff
     
    Geoff, Mar 26, 2007
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  16. Geoff

    Geoff Guest

    Thanks Gary, that eliminates one possible cause - all my Beta instals were
    done by booting from DVD and RTM was done from within XP. So it's back to
    the drawing board and a few more diagnostics.

    Geoff
     
    Geoff, Mar 26, 2007
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    jim kirk Guest

    IN XP???????????


    I want Vista to change not XP!!!!
     
    jim kirk, Mar 26, 2007
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  18. I prefer clean installs from the DVD each and every time. I will not install
    from another operating system.

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    John Barnett MVP, Mar 27, 2007
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  19. XP causes the problem, not Vista. If you have Vista Ultimate use bitlocker
    encryption and you don't get the problem. Hiding the Vista partition from XP
    doesn't solve the problem - well it didn't solve it when i tried it. As I am
    using Vista ultimate i now use bitlocker to prevent any problems with the
    restore points.

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    John Barnett MVP, Mar 27, 2007
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  20. Geoff

    Geoff Guest

    Valid point John (as was your comment below about bitlocker) and I think a
    reinstall (from DVD) is called for as I am still having the same problem and
    am now fairly certain that it isn't a driver or hardware issue. I definitely
    did a clean install, but I'm not even sure why I did the install from within
    XP (must be age catching up with me or the 'excitement' of getting a freebie
    (all wrapped up in a 'London Pride' DVD case) from Microsoft.

    Something else I have noticed today is that although Drive C: (XP) and Drive
    D: (Vista) have stayed as they were, the Vista installation from within XP
    appears to have remapped some of my other harddrives/partitions (plus my two
    DVD drives), not all of them but a couple that I still have on FAT32. I
    wonder if this is the cause of my boot problems as these drives (and the
    system restore point info) are not where they were prior to the Vista
    installation. Hopefully a reinstall from DVD should clarify that. The
    annoying thing is that I certainly did not have any of these problems with
    any of the betas.

    Again, thanks for you comments


    Geoff
     
    Geoff, Mar 27, 2007
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