Extending boot partitions

Discussion in 'Windows Small Business Server' started by Terry M, Nov 24, 2005.

  1. Terry M

    Terry M Guest

    Hello

    I am using SBS 2003 Prem on a Dell PE2600 (Perc 4Di hardware Raid) and am
    running out of room on C:\

    Originally the system came with 1 set of 18G RAID1 drives partitioned at C:\
    9G and D:\ 9G.

    I have added more drives so now I would like to enlarge the boot partition
    to the full the original 18G disks.

    Yes I can move he data off D: and remove the partition but I am not sure how
    to enlarge C: to fill it.

    I read that DiskPart does not work on boot drives, plus these are basic
    disks. I have read mixed reports about using 3rd party partition utilities,
    or ghosting the drives.

    Might this be a good case for a swing migration. At the end of the day I
    don't want to reinstall from scratch.

    Any advise or experience would be appreciated

    Terry Mc
     
    Terry M, Nov 24, 2005
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  2. Hi Terry,

    For your new configuration, how many drives and what size - what type of
    raid configuration are you considering?

    I'd recommend Paragon Drive-Backup - as you can do the current job with it,
    plus use it as a disaster recovery tool afterwards with periodic live
    images, etc.

    http://www.drive-backup.com/corporate/server/features.htm

    You can image your present partitions (C and D) (and possibly the dell
    utility partition as well)
    Set up your disks at the hardware level as raid <whatever>.
    Then boot from the Paragon CD, restoring the images of c: and d:, sizing
    them as you see fit.

    Once we know what you have in mind for disk size/numbers and raid config we
    can make some suggestions on <sizing as you see fit>.
     
    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Nov 24, 2005
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  3. Terry M

    Terry M Guest

    Less

    Presently I have 4x18G SCSI drives. The original set of two are RAID1 and
    partictioned C: and D:, and later we added another set of 18G also RAID1
    set as E:.

    My plan was to add two more 36G drives and add a 36G RAID1 paritition.
    Basically use 2x18G as C:, the second 2x18G as D: and the new 2x36 as E:

    I am open to any advise on configuration, I am not an IT pro , SBS admin is
    something I have been learning on the fly. The goal here is to have
    something as dependable and hands off as possible.

    Thanks for your help

    Terry



     
    Terry M, Nov 24, 2005
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  4. Ahhh. Saw your earlier post on the drive sizes and numbers.

    6 x 18gb would be cool. 36's or 72's would be better (especially for the 4
    new drives) - a 2600 is pretty good hardware and you're probably going to
    run it for a few years. But no big deal, you can swap the drives for bigger
    ones later if you have to.

    I'd probably do this:

    Mirror the os (2 drives), raid 5 (3 drives), and the 6th for a global spare.

    The raid 5 could be all one d: drive of 36 gb, or you could split it (but
    it's hardly large enough to bother). The split could be whatever, but you
    might take into account the size of your data (except exchange data) versus
    your exchange data, and make a relative split based on existing size and a
    WAG at growth potential. Data could then go on D:\, exchange on E:\.

    If you got larger drives for the raid 5 + spare, you'd have a lot more to
    work with. Anyway.

    Once your drives are on hand, here's how I'd proceed.

    a) get a tape (or some other kind of full backup)
    b) stick one of the as-yet drives in the box.
    c) boot from the Paragon CD and image c: and d: partitions to the drive (and
    possibly the Dell utility partion, if there).
    d) remove the drive holding the image, so you don't inadvertently add it to
    a raid set.
    c) install the three new drives, and use the raid card bios to set up your
    OS mirror and Raid 5 - wait until they're built.
    d) install the drive holding the image, and boot from the Paragon CD.
    e) copy your image of c: to the 2 drive mirror - use all the space. (and the
    dell partition, if you want).
    f) copy your image of d: to the 3 drive raid set - selecting a new (larger)
    size.
    g) boot from new c: check event logs and deal with any issues.
    Note: if your original drive had the dell utility partition, you'll need to
    put it back or change the boot.ini.

    Once you're satisfied, you can re-assign the drive that's holding the
    original image as a global hot spare.


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    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Nov 24, 2005
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  5. Terry M

    Terry M Guest

    Sounds good Les

    I am now leaning toward getting 4 new 36G drives, I will need to pull 2x18G
    out of the box but I can use them in the Win2K PE2500 we use for Terminal
    Services.

    If I understand this right I would use 3x36G for the RAID5 and one as a hot
    spare. I am not that familiar with hot spares, do they get designated for a
    specific array, in my case the RAID5 one?

    Also how big would the RAID5 end up being, about how much is lost from the
    3x36G maintaining the RAID5, 20-30%?

    Thanks for your help

    Terry


     
    Terry M, Nov 25, 2005
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  6. With your hardware, the hot spare can be used 'globally', meaning it can
    take over duties for one of the mirror drives, or one of the raid 5 drives.
    The spare must be at least the same capacity as the drive it's replacing -
    so in your case it would work for any of your drives. An 18 gb obviously
    wouldn't take the place of a 36 gb ;-).

    With Raid 5, the equivalent of 1 disk is redundant. So 3 x 36 actually gives
    you 2 x 36. (If your raid 5 set was 6 disks, then you'd have 5 x 36
    useable.)

    Data grows to fit the space available ;-).

    Another consideration when adding drive capacity is matching backup capacity
    .... (while you're in a spending mood ;-)).

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    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Nov 25, 2005
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  7. Terry M

    Terry M Guest

    I should be good to go now Les

    I am still an amateur but this group has been a godsend for part timer's
    like me.

    Thanks for all your help, SBS MVP's rock..


    Terry


     
    Terry M, Nov 25, 2005
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  8. Terry M

    Terry M Guest

    Sorry one more question..

    Do I need Paragon Partition Manager Server, Drive Backup Server, one of the
    other or both?

    Terry


     
    Terry M, Nov 25, 2005
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  9. I'd recommend drive backup 7 server edition. I don't have that version (I
    have 6), but that's what I'd buy today. You're going to get continued value
    from this beyond your immediate need. Considering it's capabilites, the
    price is very reasonable compared to some other products. I've had very good
    results imaging and restoring for specific projects, for peace of mind prior
    to major OS updates, and scheduling unattended weekly live images to speed a
    bare metal recover, should one be required ;-). It's not a substitute for
    proper backups, but it compliments them nicely.

    http://www.drive-backup.com/corporate/server/features.htm

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    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
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    understand." - Confucius


     
    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Nov 25, 2005
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  10. Actually, this is a more recent version of the one I use.

    http://www.drive-backup.com/corporate/professional/features.htm

    It's only $99.

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    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
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    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Nov 25, 2005
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  11. Terry M

    Terry M Guest

    Les

    The Paragon site says Drive Backup Pro 7 is not supported for Win2003, does
    this mean not supported but still works?

    Terry

     
    Terry M, Nov 25, 2005
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  12. I don't know. 7 is new.

    Drive Backup Pro 6 works fine with WS2k3 (including SBS).

    I'd have to say Server is the correct choice - no risk there as it's
    supported. And that's worth something - I've emailed their support and
    they're quite responsive (1-2 days) and very knowledgable.

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    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
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    understand." - Confucius


     
    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Nov 25, 2005
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  13. Terry M

    Terry M Guest

    Sounds reasonable

    Thanks again

     
    Terry M, Nov 25, 2005
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