Fix the damn "Calculating Time Remaining" problem already!

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by IWantXPBack, Jul 12, 2007.

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    IWantXPBack Guest

    I bought this computer with Vista Business pre-isntalled back in April, and
    I'm still wasting huge amounts of my time while I wait for Vista to calculate
    the time remaining before even starting to transfer files.

    I'm just absolutely flabergasted that this hasn't been dealt with in a patch
    or service pack release. I don't want to go out and download/install some
    third party software to do something that the OS should do.

    Honestly...This is outrageous.

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    IWantXPBack, Jul 12, 2007
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  2. I may be wrong, but it seems to me the transfer is commencing at the
    start but the estimated time takes a while after the process has
    started before it is active.
     
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Jul 12, 2007
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    Lang Murphy Guest


    Are these local copies or network copies?

    Lang
     
    Lang Murphy, Jul 12, 2007
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  4. What on earth is that sentence supposed to mean?

    Have you really not noticed that Vista has a major problem in this area?
    Luckily it is one of the things that they promise to fix with SP1.

    ss.
     
    Synapse Syndrome, Jul 12, 2007
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  5. Jupiter Jones [MVP], Jul 12, 2007
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  6. It still takes ages for the transfer though. Even deleting a load of files
    can take a long time. I hope this SP1 fix will bring things back to XP
    speeds at least.

    ss.
     
    Synapse Syndrome, Jul 12, 2007
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    HeyBub Guest

    The transfer starts immediately but Windows cannot know how long it will
    take.

    Windows knows, of course, how big the file is, but does not know the
    transfer rate. So, Windows starts timing the bytes transferred. After a
    representative sample passes, Windows displays the estimated time. Windows
    refines this estimate as the download progresses.
     
    HeyBub, Jul 12, 2007
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    ThePro Guest

    ThePro, Jul 12, 2007
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    CJM Guest

    Yeah, it does appear to be slower copying files under some circumstances.
    And yes, I heard that it *may* be addressed in SP1 (Q4 2007).
     
    CJM, Jul 12, 2007
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    Cal Bear '66 Guest

    You can click on the More Information (down arrow) to view the actual progress
    and speed of the transfer. Some times the "Calculating Time Remaining" remains
    while the actual transfer is happening.
     
    Cal Bear '66, Jul 12, 2007
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  11. That is what is suppose to happen and did under XP. Thus the purpose
    of the progress bar which is to roughly show the transfer process and
    time remaining. Now the knuckleheads in Redmond have so bungled the
    file copy/move/delete routine you get the moronic "calculating time
    remaining" message which often hangs on the screen, with nothing
    apparently happening (is though) then in the last couple seconds the
    status bar sometimes zooms left to right, obviously not reflecting
    anything but legendary Microsoft stupidity from their inept
    programmers.

    Two NEW things happen in Vista. It check permissions and I suspect
    sniffs for DRM (Digital Rights Management) violations at the behest of
    the Hollywood crowd. Add in that it can open an absurd number of
    handles to process the task, no wonder it often bogs down. That
    something is seriously wrong can be confirmed by moving a few files
    totaling 1 GB or so, then trying to copy/move a few hundred files
    totally the same amount. Generally it will take MUCH longer in the
    second example. This confirms the routine is poorly written and is
    wading through needless layers of bloated code.

    Two things can help:

    1. Apply the hotfix I wrote about months ago. KB 931770
    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/931770

    There are several web sites you can download it from
    without begging Microsoft.

    2. Be sure all your non root drives have the right permissions,
    which in general means you the user (as you logged in) have
    full rights.

    My experience and I move 50-80 GB worth of files around daily is this
    helps get past the bottleneck. While not always for reasons unknown, I
    average between 20-35 MB a second transfers which is on a par with XP.
    Without the above two steps the speed was often an absurd 1.5 MB or
    less. You can see how fast the files transfer by clicking on the
    little arrow in the copy/move window that pops up once you start the
    process.
     
    Adam Albright, Jul 12, 2007
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  12. That's nice Mr. Jones, but it still sucks
     
    thetruthhurts , Jul 13, 2007
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    Ian Guest

    Then give it up.


     
    Ian, Jul 13, 2007
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    intheory Guest

    :

    I've tried switching off differential compression and indexing, with no
    effect. I regularly copy a single Word file of less than 5 megabytes between
    a hard drive and a flash drive. The "calculating time" dialog then appears
    for several minutes, on one occasion nearly 10 minutes. An attempt to copy
    the file over a network connection took so long that I just gave up. The
    "Cancel" dialog then sat there until i rebooted the machine.

    I've tried command line copy and FreeCommander - same results, so whatever
    this is is deep down in the OS, it's not some simple Explorer problem.

    Unfortunately Vista came with my new laptop and I doubt if drivers are
    available for XP. Otherwise I wouldn't have thought twice about installing XP
    instead. I've even started to install Linux on a new flash drive to see if I
    can run Word under Wine, all because copying files is taking such an
    incredibly long time.
     
    intheory, Jul 19, 2007
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  15. My take is while the symptoms are the same there are actually multiple
    problems causing painfully slow file transfers for countless people.
    If you get poor results copying from the command prompt or a third
    party shell something obviously is seriously wrong more than just
    known issues with Explorer.

    Since you bought a named box, Dell, HP, whatever, you should look in
    their forums to see if people have similar issues or on the vendor's
    web site for BIOS updates and patches. Since you mentioned Flash
    drive, it could be the source of the problem with it's memory being
    corrupted. Since they are now so cheap with little effort you can find
    all kinds of brands selling USB flash for $20 or so, I would try that
    if see if it makes a difference.
     
    Adam Albright, Jul 19, 2007
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    DS1 Guest

    Perhaps we need an time remaining for the calculate time reamining
    calculation? rofl

    Seriously what's the point of estamating the time reamining when your
    transfering 1 large file and it won't tell you a time until it transfers at
    least 1 file?

    Serioulsy! I'd like to know about when a 6 gig the transfer will be done
    BEFORE the file is done transfering.

    *Vista* - The start/cause of the Linux Revolution.
     
    DS1, Sep 28, 2007
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    dpotts Guest

    Perhaps this is not the proper place to ask this question, but my dilemma
    seems even more frustrating. I can't even simply right-click on a file under
    documents (or wherever) and "sent to" the usb. Neither can I right click on a
    jpeg and choose "open with" without the Vista business just continuing to
    swirl and getting me nowhere. Never had this problem of course with XP!
     
    dpotts, Oct 1, 2007
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    Bob Guest

    Whenever I DELETE a file, Why does it take so long??? Calculating time
    remaining is the same on a small file or a large file. How can I delete a
    file and have it just do that one simple task without taking so long?? There
    must be a registry fix or ammend. Ive tried Microsofts "HOTFIX" but to no
    avail. ANy Ideas??
    Thanks for your time,
    Bob
     
    Bob, Oct 1, 2007
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  19. It's a known issue that Microsoft admits to. Hopefully it will get
    fully resolved once SP1 gets released late this year or early next.

    You can reduce it somewhat, but only sometimes if you also take over
    ownership of all your hard drives making whatever user you log in as
    have full permissions which you can change/add by going to the
    security tab for each of your drives. I don't suggest you mess with
    your root drive however, Vista claims that as it's own and don't like
    you to fiddle with it.

    This issue is often spit on by this newsgroup's idiots of which sadly
    there are several that don't know any better, one in particular, named
    Frank, the newsgroup resident moron.

    It is a real issue, Microsoft is aware of it. Hopefully they will
    fully fix it soon it is probably driving millions of people nuts.

    One 'cure' is to not to use Windows Explorer for
    copying/moving/deleting instead using some third party shell none of
    which have this problem proving it is indeed an exclusive Vista
    specific issue. It doesn't effect all systems, just some, so those
    that don't have it being the crude no knowing morons they are will
    constantly try to make fun of those that do experience it.
     
    Adam Albright, Oct 1, 2007
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  20. Wait for SP1 due out soon, I believe they have fixed it in there.

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    The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly , Oct 1, 2007
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