Flash as RAM?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Michael, Sep 11, 2006.

  1. Michael

    Michael Guest

    I remember reading Vista has a feature to use Flash memory (ex. USB memory
    stick) as (extra)RAM. I tried to find this feature in RC1 - USB attached but
    no sign of it in Task Manager/Physical Memory.
    Michael
     
    Michael, Sep 11, 2006
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  2. first you must use the Motherboards direct USB 2.0 ports ( e.g. No
    PCI-Addon-Card with USB-Extraports )

    second : this feature is only available at some USB-thumbdrives.
    If you plug a Readyboost-compatible USB-Flashdrive in, then Windows will
    present the Autoplay-window which offers ( depends on what is on the stick )
    :

    * "Open files"
    * "Play Mp3s" etc.. and
    * "Speed up my system"

    you can also do a rightclick on the USB-drive's icon and see under
    properties the tab "ReadyBoost" - there you can see if this is an option or
    not.

    I have a 500MB Stick from LG that uses this technology, but another no-name
    1GB-stick doesn't offer this.

    My System (Duron 1800/ 512 DDR-RAM/Geforce 6200 AGP with Aero) is indeed a
    bit faster than without the stick inserted, specially when running games I
    feel it.

    Also it depends on various factors : how much RAM has your System already
    and how much space is on the stick.

    So far these one have been tested :

    ReadyBoost-compatible USB flash drives:
    - 512MB Kungston U3 Datatraveler
    -512MB LG Electronics "Silverline" Thumbdrive
    - 1GB Verbatim Store'n'Go U3
    - 2GB Verbatim Store'n'Go Pro
    - 2GB Patriot Xporter XT
    - 2GB Samsung Mighty Drive

    ReadyBoost-incompatible USB flash drives:
    - 1GB Corsair Voyager
    - 1GB Corsair Readout
    - 1GB PQI Cool Drive
    - 8GB TrekStor

    more info :
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/foreveryone/performance.mspx
    http://blogs.msdn.com/tomarcher/archive/2006/04/14/576548.aspx
    http://hwspirit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=398

    SBJ
     
    Sascha Benjamin Jazbec, Sep 11, 2006
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  3. Michael

    dotcom Guest

    Sascha,
    I have seen it posted before that you cannot use an USB 2.0 Add-On card
    however I indeed am using one along with a supported flash drive and it
    works great! Do you happen to know the reason for this claim that add-on
    cards are not supported? I know that the *speed* of the flash drive has to
    been fast enough in order to be supported but I don't see any reason why an
    add-on card would eliminate it's support.
    dotcom
     
    dotcom, Sep 11, 2006
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  4. Ok, if it is so than I will in future not claim this to be a fact.

    On my own PC it is indeed not working on a PCI Card with Viachipset with 4 x
    USB 2.0 Ports,
    but on the Mainboards own Ports ( 6x USB 2.0 - also Viachipset )
    That means I have 10 USB Ports total ( 2 on the front, 4 native ones on the
    I/O shield and the 4 extraones ).

    Also I have read that somewhere on the Web while searching for Vistas
    special features ;)

    But alright then, as usual when new tech is aproaching - one is the lucky
    guy, others have to struggle a bit .

    ### ########## The may we say so from now on :
    ###################
    ********* try ALL your USB2.0 ports out - if at least one of them enables
    this or not. ********
    ############################################################################

    Happy crawling under your desks :-}

    SBJ
     
    Sascha Benjamin Jazbec, Sep 11, 2006
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  5. Michael

    Alan Simpson Guest

    It's not really RAM. It's alternative storage for the pagefile. You can use
    a flash drive it its capacity and random I/O are fast to enough to justify
    using it for that purpose. Some motherboard and hybrid hard drives will have
    tha built in.
     
    Alan Simpson, Sep 12, 2006
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  6. Michael

    StevenW Guest

    Were do you look to see if Vista reconizes the ram? I chose "Speed up my
    system" but don't see where it is using it. Task
    manager/Performance/Physical Memory still shows the 1 gig of ram installed in
    my laptop.
     
    StevenW, Sep 15, 2006
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  7. Michael

    StevenW Guest

    Were do you look to see if Vista reconizes the ram? I chose "Speed up my
    system" but don't see where it is using it. Task
    manager/Performance/Physical Memory still shows the 1 gig of ram installed in
    my laptop.
     
    StevenW, Sep 15, 2006
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  8. Michael

    StevenW Guest

    Were do you look to see if Vista reconizes the ram? I chose "Speed up my
    system" but don't see where it is using it. Task
    manager/Performance/Physical Memory still shows the 1 gig of ram installed in
    my laptop.
     
    StevenW, Sep 15, 2006
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  9. Michael

    StevenW Guest

    Were do you look to see if Vista reconizes the ram? I chose "Speed up my
    system" but don't see where it is using it. Task
    manager/Performance/Physical Memory still shows the 1 gig of ram installed in
    my laptop.
     
    StevenW, Sep 15, 2006
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  10. Michael

    StevenW Guest

    Were do you look to see if Vista reconizes the ram? I chose "Speed up my
    system" but don't see where it is using it. Task
    manager/Performance/Physical Memory still shows the 1 gig of ram installed in
    my laptop.
     
    StevenW, Sep 15, 2006
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  11. Michael

    Phillips Guest

    One way: Widows Explorer/YourFlasDrive/Properties/ReadyBoost tab.
    Your flash drive *must* be formatted NTFS, otherwise it shows as "unusable."
    Hence, format it NTFS first - you'll lose all files on it. Guess you need at
    least a 512 MB flash drive. I tried a PNY Attache 512MB and build 5728
    accepts to use it even if it does not meet the read/write speed
    requirements; in 5600 I couldn't even see the flash drive as a 'driver was
    required.
    Michael
     
    Phillips, Oct 1, 2006
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  12. Michael

    JL Guest

    Odd...I am using a flash card formatted as FAT32 and readyboostseems to
    accept it OK.

    JL
     
    JL, Oct 11, 2006
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  13. Michael

    Michael Guest

    Hmm, is your OS drive formated NTFS or FAT32? I assume both the hard-drive
    and the flash drive must be formated the same way.
    Michael
     
    Michael, Oct 11, 2006
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  14. Michael

    JL Guest

    Hi,

    No, the OS is NTFS.....

    JL
     
    JL, Oct 11, 2006
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  15. Michael

    MICHAEL Guest

    That is not true.

    Also, Vista can only be installed on NTFS.

    -Michael
     
    MICHAEL, Oct 12, 2006
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  16. Michael

    MICHAEL Guest

    "Your flash drive *must* be formatted NTFS"

    Not true!

    Anyone having trouble getting a flash/thumb drive
    ReadyBoost able, do this:

    Go into Device Manager, find your flash drive under
    Disk Drives, select Properties for the flash drive, then
    under the "Policies" tab- make sure "Optimize for performance"
    is checked.


    -Michael
     
    MICHAEL, Oct 12, 2006
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  17. Michael

    MICHAEL Guest

    One more tip:

    You can also try using another USB slot. If it is plugged into
    a USB hub, take it out and plug it directly into the computer.


    -Michael
     
    MICHAEL, Oct 12, 2006
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  18. Michael

    Mauricio Guest

    but what if when I connect my usb flash and the autorun feature said "Speed
    up my system" but when I do it then the software says that my USB drive have
    not the required performance to speed up my system??

    I have tried with this:

    USB 2.0 Kingstong Datatraveler 512MB
    and with a Kingston U3 Datatraveler 1GB
     
    Mauricio, Oct 24, 2006
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  19. Michael

    Robert Moir Guest

    Where did you get this information from?

    1) You don't need to format a drive as NTFS to use readyboost. I've got
    FAT32 drives working just fine.
    2) You don't need to use 512Mb drives, I've used a 256Mb one.
     
    Robert Moir, Oct 25, 2006
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