Fool Proof Backup AND Restore

Discussion in 'Windows Small Business Server' started by Jonathan Davey, Mar 19, 2006.

  1. Im the "fool" who desires a simple fool proof backup restore senario.

    Why do I need Back/Restore: Chances are, that it would be a harddisk that
    fails, or maybe a power supply that then damages information on the disks.
    For my needs I will assume that the hardware wont fail in the medium term.
    But that I must plan for loss/damage of a harddisk.

    Intitial Setup: For simplicity and ease of repair restoration I have 3
    identical 75Gb drives. 1 of which is factory sealed and sits at the bottom
    of the case in the event its needed. The other 2, 75gb drives= DriveC is the
    OS and DriveE is the data folders, exchange, users, shares etc. There are
    some data type files on C, fax as I recall, though Ive configured a copy to
    E in any event. I also have a 4th BACKUP drive, which is 200Gb and sits on
    the IDE rather than SATA channels (theroy being that Im less likely to get a
    corruption on both IDE and SATA channels at the same time)

    Brief: I dont know much about datafiles and AD etc. With this in mind I
    would be more comfortable doing a COMPLETE backup, that is to say that
    regardless of whether its the data drive or the OS drive that fails, I would
    like to a COMPLETE restore in any event to avoid discrepencies.

    Can I do a COMPLETE backup and RESTORE? Or will I always have to reinstall
    SBS from the CD, apply the patches that were current (yikes) at the time and
    then RESTORE.

    Backup Regime: What method of BACKUP do I use, "Normal" "Incremental" should
    I use SBS built-in utility or the standard OS util. Bearing in mind I want
    to do an ENTIRE RESTORE if its possible.

    Any help would be appreciated as despite my assertions in other posts I am
    kinda becoming a SBS convert. Only Backup/Restore now stand in my way.


    Jonathan Davey, Mar 19, 2006
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  2. someone makes something foolproof and the world invents a more foolish fool.
    . Backing Up and Restoring Windows Small Business Server 2003 Learn
    how to configure your backup and to restore data following system failure or
    other disaster.
    SuperGumby [SBS MVP], Mar 19, 2006
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  3. Jonathan Davey

    Ray Collins Guest

    Just used this document, I had two issues

    1. the box would not come up as a DC until I reset the file replication
    which is a known issue when you restore the SYSVOL;

    2. The disappearing IP Address :-(
    Ray Collins, Mar 19, 2006
  4. I can cope with IP issue

    Not sure about Domain Ctrlr

    Also link requires clean install of SBS plus updates that were applied....
    Id hoped for a solution not requiring attendance (Server is in loft), 4
    cd's, and half a day wasted as a consequence. As thats foolish!?!
    Jonathan Davey, Mar 19, 2006
  5. Only 1 CD (Base OS) required plus Windows SP1 if Backup was SP1. The last
    Full restore I did took 1:15 from insertion of CD1 to server running
    Frank McCallister SBS MVP, Mar 19, 2006
  6. Jonathan Davey

    samz Guest

    Factory Sealed

    How do you know its works :)

    Use Veritas BackupExec to backup - much more flexible than built-in Backup.
    (you also have options for Bare Metal recovery)

    However, I've found Ghost Imaging very useful...
    Get the Server setup then use GHOST 2003 to duplicate the Drive(s)

    This will Create a SNAP-SHOT for safe keeping.

    Use BackupExec for daily backups.
    samz, Mar 19, 2006
  7. BE is a waste of money for SBS. SBS built in Backup Wizard does all you need
    for full system and partial restores.
    Frank McCallister SBS MVP, Mar 19, 2006
  8. Ghost cannot handle Win2K3 SBS, if you even convert your diskd to dynamic you
    will scramble the data.
    If you like you could use Symantec LiveState Recovery Standard Server, this
    one is the natural evolution of DriveImage for the servers.
    I do agree BE is a waste of money in SBS enviroment and on top of that it
    also slows you down since you have one more MSDE session to run.
    If you would prefer to make your own backup solutions for bare metal drives
    using SBS backup (which is still the best) look into Windows PE
    (preinstallation enviroment) that is what all other bare metal drives
    solutions are based on.
    So you cab make your own boot disk (CD/DVD) to bring the server back up and
    run restore.
    On the other hand you have 3 HD of the same size, it does make sense to use
    some sort of RAID, at least RAID1 for the precious data, or better 10 for the
    whole thing.
    This way you do not have to worry about a failing HD and you can pickup some
    performance on the way. You can find several SATA RAID controllers for as low
    as $80 and IDE RAID for as low as $10 (from the results may
    surprise you, look for SiliconImage base controllers(SiL).
    Keep the 200Gb and use it for backup images it beats tapes any day.
    Well at least that is my take on it.
    If you search for my name in this newsgroup you will find more backup
    Gabriel C. Stan, Mar 19, 2006
  9. Hi Gabriel,

    Ghost 2003 can handle SBS 2003 or Windows 2003 but you need to boot from
    either a Ghost Boot CD or Boot Floppies (not install it on the server) to do
    the image creations and image restores. RAID5 _may_ be problematic but many
    in this Newsgroup have reported success. Ghost will image a dynamic (RAID1
    mirror) set but after an image restore, you need to manually convert the
    drive back to dynamic.
    Merv Porter [SBS-MVP], Mar 19, 2006
  10. (you also have options for Bare Metal recovery)

    Samz, curious - have you ever tested this with BE?
    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Mar 19, 2006
  11. Jonathan Davey

    Ray Collins Guest

    Obviously not on the same hardware. Windows freaks when you restore to
    different hardware and it can take hours (10+) to sort it all out.

    My favourite is when the product activation kicks in and you have to ring M$
    at 3 in the morning only to find that the key the automated system gives you
    doesn't work.

    This is one of those examples where Linux seems to do it better, you can
    change hardware around with very little effort.
    Ray Collins, Mar 19, 2006
  12. OK, that sounds doable.
    Ive realised that if I set autoupdate to run daily, then all I will need to
    do is apply all updates to the same day the server goes down.

    Thanks for your help. The link explains everything else..

    However I have just created an SBS wizard backup and a standard OS backup to
    a remote drive. SBS wizard reports that it was unable to find the remote
    drive. The standard OS backup had no problem at all.

    Err: Backup Runner started.
    Launching NTBackup: ntbackup.exe backup "@E:\Program Files\Microsoft Windows
    Small Business Server\Backup\Small Business Backup Script.bks" /d "SBS
    Backup created on 20/03/2006 at 08:22" /v:yes /r:no /rs:no /hc:eek:ff /m normal
    /j "Small Business Server Backup Job" /l:s /f "\\hal\bup1\Backup Files\Small
    Business Server Backup (01).bkf" /UM
    NTBACKUP LOG FILE: C:\Documents and Settings\SBS Backup User\Local
    Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows NT\NTBackup\data\backup09.log
    =====================<BEGIN NTBACKUP LOG FILE>=====================
    Backup Status
    The operation was not performed because the specified media cannot be

    Any ideas?
    Jonathan Davey, Mar 20, 2006
  13. Good Point SAM! I will put another sealed unit at the bottom!!

    Downloading Vertias now to see if it works.

    So your doing a "clone" ghost copy to get the raw system shot then Veritas
    to take the daily changes. Sounds like a good plan to me.
    Jonathan Davey, Mar 20, 2006
  14. Just read all the other posts.


    Ok, so why cant my SBS backup to a remote drive??
    Jonathan Davey, Mar 20, 2006
  15. Jonathan Davey

    Ray Collins Guest

    Maybe because the SBS backup account doesn't have write permissions to that
    share or folder.
    Ray Collins, Mar 20, 2006
  16. I checked that one, fool proof, created admin account on backup server
    identical to admin acc on SBS, plus shared with Full Ctrl to admin.

    Whats weird is that the normal Win2k3 backup util on the SBS box works fine.
    Its only the SBS wizard that fails!
    Jonathan Davey, Mar 20, 2006
  17. Jonathan Davey

    Ray Collins Guest

    I use SBS backup across the network at many sites and it works fine, so
    again I come back to permissions. Just as a test give "everyone" full
    control at the share level and the NTFS (folder) level and see if it works.
    Ray Collins, Mar 20, 2006
  18. Jonathan Davey

    Gregg Hill Guest


    You said that you "created admin account on backup server identical to admin
    acc on SBS...."

    Why would you have to do that? It almost sounds as if your backup server is
    not a member of the domain(??).

    If it is a domain member, the domain administrator account should have full
    access to it.

    Gregg Hill
    Gregg Hill, Mar 20, 2006
  19. the backup process does not run as the administrator account. Permission the
    folder correctly for the entity that the process runs as and there is no
    SuperGumby [SBS MVP], Mar 20, 2006
  20. Jonathan Davey

    Ray Collins Guest

    This is what Microsoft had to say when I posted a question regarding a
    problem I had after a restore to different hardware.

    "Since the different computer hardware has the different Hardware
    Abstraction Layer (HAL), we cannot simply restore the server to a different
    hardware from a full backup. It will cause lots of issue and it is not a
    supported scenario. To recover your new server, you may want to post to the
    public newsgroup, or you can contact CSS for assistance:

    Thank you for your understanding!"

    So apparently there is no Microsoft fool proof solution to your requirement.
    Ray Collins, Mar 21, 2006
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