Free Software & Purchased Software

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by D. Spencer Hines, Feb 6, 2009.

  1. We sometimes hear the refrain in these newsgroups, from some quarters, that
    we shouldn't expect too much from WLM or some other "free" Microsoft
    software because we are not paying for it.

    ....That we should buy Outlook for example if we want more.

    But many of us see Outlook as slow, cumbersome and designed for business
    use -- not personal use -- ergo no integrated newsreader.

    We want a personal email client and newsreader -- a genuine successor to OE.

    So, I say charge us for WLM, sell it to us -- as a superior, carefully honed
    and developed Microsoft product, constantly upgraded and refined -- worthy
    of the Microsoft name.

    But don't produce a grossly inferior, botched product and then tell us we
    shouldn't expect too much because it's free.
     
    D. Spencer Hines, Feb 6, 2009
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  2. D. Spencer Hines

    t-4-2 Guest

    At the risk of starting another 20 pages of exchanges which you appear to be
    famous for, I must say I agree with you.
    To offer a product full of "holes", Free or otherwise, is an indication of
    Ineptness and Lack of Professional Ethics.
    t-4-2
     
    t-4-2, Feb 6, 2009
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  3. D. Spencer Hines

    Sunny Guest

    <snip
    | But don't produce a grossly inferior, botched product and then tell us
    we
    | shouldn't expect too much because it's free.

    In my never ending quest for the truth, can you point me to the site where
    Microsoft has "told" us that?
     
    Sunny, Feb 6, 2009
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  4. D. Spencer Hines

    Gordon Guest

    Then take a look at Mozilla Thunderbird - email with integrated News reader.
    You can even use Hotmail on it with the appropriate add-ins. And with the
    Lightning Calendar extension (there are LOADS of free add-ins for it) it is
    rapidly approaching the functionality of Outlook. (And don't let certain
    MVPs tell you otherwise - use it and see)
    Get it here:
    http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/thunderbird/
     
    Gordon, Feb 6, 2009
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  5. Yes, I have tried Mozilla Thunderbird and I agree -- it's a good product.

    But I think Forte Agent is even better.

    DSH
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas
    Vires et Honor
     
    D. Spencer Hines, Feb 6, 2009
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  6. D. Spencer Hines

    Gordon Guest


    for news certainly.
     
    Gordon, Feb 6, 2009
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  7. When you discover how to perform a mail merge with it, let us know, OK?
     
    Brian Tillman [MVP - Outlook], Feb 6, 2009
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    Alias Guest

    How many people use that and, for that matter, how many people even know
    what it is?

    Alias
     
    Alias, Feb 6, 2009
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  9. D. Spencer Hines

    Gordon Guest

    Gordon, Feb 6, 2009
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  10. You don't hear that from this group (Outlook) much. We hear a lot of people
    say 'I'm forcing myself to use Outlook because I paid for it when I bought
    office.' You should use the program that meets your needs the best.

    Please stop with this idiotic cross posting that you insist on doing when
    the post really has nothing to do with Outlook. We don't need to be a part
    of your little war against OE/Mail and Microsoft.

    --
    Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
    Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/
    Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com

    Outlook Tips by email:
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    EMO - a weekly newsletter about Outlook and Exchange:
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    You can access this newsgroup by visiting
    http://www.microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx or point your
    newsreader to msnews.microsoft.com.
     
    Diane Poremsky [MVP], Feb 6, 2009
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  11. Outlook was allegedly designed to be the business email client for Microsoft
    Office.

    Outlook apparently has no newsreader because employers don't want employees
    frittering away time on USENET -- although, with administrative privileges,
    one can allegedly be added.

    Yes, many of rightly feel that since we bought and paid for Outlook and
    Office we should be able to use them together.

    However Outlook is clumsy, cumbersome, slow -- and offers far fewer
    user-defined options, bells and whistles than Forte Agent.

    Outlook Express suited us pretty well. Not perfect, but a very fine
    product.

    WLM is currently in an unfinished state -- not ready for prime time --
    therefore Microsoft has not totally obsoleted Outlook Express and we can
    still use it for POP3 and HTTP accounts -- for the time being -- but only in
    XP, not in Vista.

    We users are looking for alternatives to OE and the currently crippled WLM
    and OUTLOOK is ONE of the programs we look at.

    This message is, of course, perfectly on topic in the
    _microsoft-public.outlook_ newsgroup.

    Please do not call me an idiot -- that's quite unprofessional.

    Neither do I have any sort of "little war against OE/Mail and Microsoft."

    I am very PRO Microsoft and I'm a stockholder -- as perhaps are YOU.

    We should be working TOGETHER to make Microsoft a better corporation and
    Microsoft products the best in the world -- as they once WERE.

    We don't do that by putting up little territorial walls around imagined
    fiefdoms on the Internet, where "outsiders" are not welcome and are excluded
    from participation because of petty jealousies and injured amour propre.
    --
    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas
    Vires et Honor
    Exitus Acta Probat

     
    D. Spencer Hines, Feb 6, 2009
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  12. MORE personal attacks and ad hominems from Ms Poremsky.

    VERY Unprofessional.

    Further...

    She's not hiring...

    And I'm not seeking employment.

    So, her subjunctive hypotheticals are FAR off the mark.

    But, sadly, she does have an aversion to...

    Hard Truths...

    And:

    Sound Business Practices.

    The SUBJECT here is...

    Free Software & Purchased Software...

    And that affects...

    Outlook Express

    Outlook

    Windows Live Mail

    Windows Mail

    Mozilla Thunderbird

    Forte Agent

    Among Others...
    --
    DSH
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas
    Vires et Honor

     
    D. Spencer Hines, Feb 6, 2009
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