Free Vista Compatible Firewall?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by James Truelove, Apr 18, 2007.

  1. Can anyone recomend a free Vista compatible firewall. I used to use Comodo
    but i believe it is not Vista compatible yet?
    James
     
    James Truelove, Apr 18, 2007
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  2. There is nothing wrong with Vista's own built in firewall. Unlike XP's
    firewall, the new Vista firewall scans both incoming and outgoing traffic. I
    have always used the free versions of Zone Alarm with previous versions of
    Windows, but with Vista I haven't even bothered installing a third party
    firewall. I have simply stuck with the Vista firewall. I haven't had any
    problems with it.

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    John Barnett MVP
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    John Barnett MVP, Apr 18, 2007
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  3. James Truelove

    Victek Guest

    As John said the Vista firewall includes outbound connection filtering. You
    can download an add-on for the Vista firewall called (appropriately) Vista
    Firewall Control (there's a free version and a payware version) which
    creates an interactive layer that pops up permissions requests for
    applications when they first attempt an outbound connection. See link
    below:

    http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/index.html

    I found this a bit too simple though and am currently using PC Tools
    Firewall Plus which is very stable on my system. It is Vista compatible
    freeware and is constantly being improved. It supports advanced
    "rule-making" which enables you to target and tighten the filtering. I like
    the Comodo firewall too, but unfortunately Comodo has not even released a
    Vista compatible beta yet (coming in May). ZoneAlarm does have a Vista
    compatible beta, but as always you use beta software at your own risk. Hope
    some of this is useful to you. Link to PC Tools Firewall Pro below:

    http://www.pctools.com/firewall/
     
    Victek, Apr 18, 2007
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  4. Thanks for advice
    James
     
    James Truelove, Apr 18, 2007
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  5. James Truelove

    GTS Guest

    The only free firewall out so far for Vista seems to be the one from PC
    Tools, and it has been very problematic. I don't know if the latest release
    may have fixed the serious bugs it had.
    http://www.pctools.com/firewall/

    As John Barnett noted Vista's firewall has a 2 way capability. However,
    this is disabled by default (a point that MS never mentions when hyping it
    as an improved security feature). It is also less user friendly than the
    better free firewalls have generally been. See this link for more
    information.
    http://searchwindowssecurity.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid45_gci1247138,00.html
     
    GTS, Apr 18, 2007
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  6. James Truelove

    nweissma Guest

    why did ms disable the 2-way capability of vista' firewall?

    how do I enable it? is there a reason why I should not enable it?

    in what way is vista's firewall "less user-friendly," and are you saying
    that there are better firewalls available? if yes, then how can I disable -
    or uninstall - ms's firewall and replace it with another, given that I have
    installed ms's onecare package?

    I will read your link and ask further.

    thanks
     
    nweissma, Apr 19, 2007
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  7. James Truelove

    Rock Guest


    In my opinion, you don't need a 3rd party firewall in Vista. There are many
    improvements to it from the XP firewall.
     
    Rock, Apr 19, 2007
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  8. James Truelove

    Mike Tullett Guest

    On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:05:44 +0100, John Barnett MVP wrote in
    The Consumers Association ("Which") here in the UK made a similar mistake
    in reporting the outbound traffic was being checked. When there is a clean
    install of Vista (even an upgrade) the outbound firewall is *not* on by
    default. If you load the firewall configuration plug-in at the "Run" box
    by typing "wf.msc" this disability can be seen.
     
    Mike Tullett, Apr 19, 2007
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  9. James Truelove

    GTS Guest

    See inline

    Probably because it might have been confusing to less knowledgeable users
    who are not used to having to manage permissions. There's some truth to
    this and it may arguably make sense, but MS misled the public into thinking
    it was in fact functional, in order to hype it as a security improvement in
    Vista.
    That is answered in the second link I provided. You should not enable it if
    you are using MS Onecare becasause that includes a firewall with outbound
    functionality. (It probably interacts with or is a front end to the Vista
    native firewall.)
    As I understand it the Vista firewall doesn't prompt for program permissions
    though there's an ad-in to enable that. Also, it's not all obvious how to
    enable it and configure permissions.
    Again, if you are using Onecare, don't also add a 3rd party firewall. Use
    one or the other.
     
    GTS, Apr 19, 2007
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  10. James Truelove

    Victek Guest

    PC Tools Firewall Plus 2.X initially had a bug that caused the firewall to
    block all traffic when enabled, but that was fixed months ago. There have
    been numerous updates since then to improve the firewall, however users
    should be aware that this firewall is rules based and requires more user
    input then ZoneAlarm to work optimally. For instance, my computer is behind
    a router and a cable modem, so I needed to make rules allowing the router
    and modem IP's access to the computer. That was easy enough for me, but
    someone without basic knowledge of TCP/IP might have a problem. It easy
    though, to turn OFF PC Tools Firewall Plus (and turn the Windows firewall
    back ON for protection), restore internet access and get support from the PC
    Tools forum.
     
    Victek, Apr 19, 2007
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  11. James Truelove

    PTravel Guest

    Wow! Thank you for posting this. I was also under the impression that
    out-bound traffic was blocked but, as you note, it is not by default.
     
    PTravel, Apr 23, 2007
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  12. James Truelove

    8os.8 Guest

    can go to some of the fw test sites and tryout your setup



    list . not sure if current
    http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.php/Windows_Vista_Software_Compatibility_List#
    Firewalls_.2F_IDS.27s


    http://www.jetico.com/ [v1 has lots of rules to manage. don't know about v2.]

    both jetico's and kis (kaspersky) 6 did well at matousec and firewallleakter (dated
    ratings, but has tests). kis is payware.

    check fileforum, softpedia, snapfiles, wilderssecurity for user comments. eg,
    http://www.google.com/search?q=vista+wilderssecurity+compatibility+firewall+2007
     
    8os.8, May 2, 2007
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  13. James Truelove

    mikeyhsd Guest

    take a look at Vista Firewall Control from
    sphinx-soft
    enables the outbound and gives interface to enable/disable as needed.







    can go to some of the fw test sites and tryout your setup



    list . not sure if current
    http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.php/Windows_Vista_Software_Compatibility_List#
    Firewalls_.2F_IDS.27s


    http://www.jetico.com/ [v1 has lots of rules to manage. don't know about v2.]

    both jetico's and kis (kaspersky) 6 did well at matousec and firewallleakter (dated
    ratings, but has tests). kis is payware.

    check fileforum, softpedia, snapfiles, wilderssecurity for user comments. eg,
    http://www.google.com/search?q=vista+wilderssecurity+compatibility+firewall+2007
     
    mikeyhsd, May 2, 2007
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  14. James Truelove

    8os.8 Guest


    i saw that (above in thread) but didn't realize the significance. an "addon" for ms
    builtin vista fw.
    have you tried this?

    i'd rather see some feedback or tests before trying (the vista's not mine)
    I don't see enough info on the sphinx-soft website to see what kind of rule-edits are
    possible (or doably possible!)

    http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/using.html
    ui is more convenenient for the pay version


    and skimming short text,
    http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/settings.html
    Settings
    (Plus version only)
    i don't see differentiation between this and the free version.


    http://groups.google.com/groups?q="Vista+Firewall+Control"+|+sphinx-
    soft+Firewall+rules+free+%7C+freeware

    link from freeware ng
    http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6131599.html
    http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6098592.html

    "But once you discover the secret of accessing its advanced configuration settings via
    the MMC snap-in"



    maybe if editing via the free version of sphinx is limited, the original ms ui is enough?
    edit details in mmc, then use sphinx to toggle fw's modes?


    but so far, none of this (Kaspersky or ms fw) is easy enough for "grandmom or
    grandad" to use.


    http://thevistaforums.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=60516
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/hostsnews/archive/2007/03/07/windows-vista-firewall.aspx



    snip
     
    8os.8, May 2, 2007
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  15. James Truelove

    mikeyhsd Guest

    am currently using it.
    when a programs needs to go out, a pop up comes to ask you to enable or disable or temp enable the out request.
    only thing I have found is you may have to refresh the request that caused the pop up.
    like click open a link to get IE to open.
    have to close IE and click link again, first time only.
    from then only it is approved for out going.









    i saw that (above in thread) but didn't realize the significance. an "addon" for ms
    builtin vista fw.
    have you tried this?

    i'd rather see some feedback or tests before trying (the vista's not mine)
    I don't see enough info on the sphinx-soft website to see what kind of rule-edits are
    possible (or doably possible!)

    http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/using.html
    ui is more convenenient for the pay version


    and skimming short text,
    http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/settings.html
    Settings
    (Plus version only)
    i don't see differentiation between this and the free version.


    http://groups.google.com/groups?q="Vista+Firewall+Control"+|+sphinx-
    soft+Firewall+rules+free+%7C+freeware

    link from freeware ng
    http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6131599.html
    http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6098592.html

    "But once you discover the secret of accessing its advanced configuration settings via
    the MMC snap-in"



    maybe if editing via the free version of sphinx is limited, the original ms ui is enough?
    edit details in mmc, then use sphinx to toggle fw's modes?


    but so far, none of this (Kaspersky or ms fw) is easy enough for "grandmom or
    grandad" to use.


    http://thevistaforums.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=60516
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/hostsnews/archive/2007/03/07/windows-vista-firewall.aspx



    snip
     
    mikeyhsd, May 3, 2007
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