Gateway FMC-901 migration to MCE 2005 help needed

Discussion in 'Windows Media Center' started by Mike Wann, Feb 3, 2005.

  1. "Noozer" wrote:
    > For what it's worth, these are links to the VFD board and the header on the
    > mainboard where it connects to...
    >
    > http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/901_Series/Shared/8007840/8007840mv.shtml
    >
    > http://support.gateway.com/s/pc/901_Series/2900091/2521073/2521073mvr19.shtml
    >


    Thanks for the links. I'd sure like to know what this interface is, and
    your suspicions that it could be a parallel port have merit. I didn't figure
    on reverse engineering this PC, but it is interesting. I do miss that Record
    light.
     
    Turkey Dog Dave, May 18, 2005
    #21
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  2. Mike Wann

    Noozer Guest


    > When operating properly with MCE2004, the VFD should show the
    > track names when playing CDs, time and chapter when playing a
    > DVD, and even show the filenames of pictures under My Pictures.
    >
    > I have it from a reliable source that Microsoft changed something
    > in the way MCE 2005 provides this information, and that's why the
    > VFD doesn't work the same under MCE 2005.


    And that is the main reason I avoid MS software when I can, and I definately
    do NOT program with any of their languages.

    They could have just as easily ADDED functionality without changing existing
    functionality.
     
    Noozer, May 19, 2005
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  3. Okay, so I was very curious about this so I trashed my 901x and recovered
    from the Gateway DVD... and indeed, in MCE2004 the VFD does display track
    info (when click next, not while playing) as well as having track time etc.
    It display which mode you are in (TV, Video, Pictures, etc) and a slew of
    other things. That's very nice. I never upgraded from this state to 2005
    (did clean MSDN install) so perhaps in would stay in 2005 if an upgrade from
    2004 was done.

    I have a feeling that the VFD application only enables communication with
    the VFD and that some other Gateway app on the CD (MCE enhancements perhaps)
    is what actually enables the rest. I'll have to play some more with that
    once I've rebuilt my machine to 2005.

    --

    Michel Bordeleau
    MS-MVP - Windows XP Media Center Edition
    (remove oogle from email address to email me)


    "Carl D. Smith" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 17 May 2005 19:04:18 -0400, "Doug Knox MS-MVP"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>Sorry, I missed the reference to the Track information. And I don't use
    >>the Gateway for playing audio CD's, so I'd never have seen it anyway.

    >
    > When operating properly with MCE2004, the VFD should show the
    > track names when playing CDs, time and chapter when playing a
    > DVD, and even show the filenames of pictures under My Pictures.
    >
    > I have it from a reliable source that Microsoft changed something
    > in the way MCE 2005 provides this information, and that's why the
    > VFD doesn't work the same under MCE 2005.
     
    Michel Bordeleau [MCE-MVP], May 19, 2005
    #23
  4. Thanks for following up on that, Michel. I'll have to do some digging here, as well. But right now, the other half is watching CSI :)

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    "Michel Bordeleau [MCE-MVP]" <> wrote in message news:%23$...
    > Okay, so I was very curious about this so I trashed my 901x and recovered
    > from the Gateway DVD... and indeed, in MCE2004 the VFD does display track
    > info (when click next, not while playing) as well as having track time etc.
    > It display which mode you are in (TV, Video, Pictures, etc) and a slew of
    > other things. That's very nice. I never upgraded from this state to 2005
    > (did clean MSDN install) so perhaps in would stay in 2005 if an upgrade from
    > 2004 was done.
    >
    > I have a feeling that the VFD application only enables communication with
    > the VFD and that some other Gateway app on the CD (MCE enhancements perhaps)
    > is what actually enables the rest. I'll have to play some more with that
    > once I've rebuilt my machine to 2005.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Michel Bordeleau
    > MS-MVP - Windows XP Media Center Edition
    > (remove oogle from email address to email me)
    >
    >
    > "Carl D. Smith" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> On Tue, 17 May 2005 19:04:18 -0400, "Doug Knox MS-MVP"
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Sorry, I missed the reference to the Track information. And I don't use
    >>>the Gateway for playing audio CD's, so I'd never have seen it anyway.

    >>
    >> When operating properly with MCE2004, the VFD should show the
    >> track names when playing CDs, time and chapter when playing a
    >> DVD, and even show the filenames of pictures under My Pictures.
    >>
    >> I have it from a reliable source that Microsoft changed something
    >> in the way MCE 2005 provides this information, and that's why the
    >> VFD doesn't work the same under MCE 2005.

    >
    >
     
    Doug Knox MS-MVP, May 20, 2005
    #24
  5. Possibly here, Michel.

    X:\1Gateway\Utility\Button

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    Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
    http://www.dougknox.com
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    "Michel Bordeleau [MCE-MVP]" <> wrote in message news:%23$...
    > Okay, so I was very curious about this so I trashed my 901x and recovered
    > from the Gateway DVD... and indeed, in MCE2004 the VFD does display track
    > info (when click next, not while playing) as well as having track time etc.
    > It display which mode you are in (TV, Video, Pictures, etc) and a slew of
    > other things. That's very nice. I never upgraded from this state to 2005
    > (did clean MSDN install) so perhaps in would stay in 2005 if an upgrade from
    > 2004 was done.
    >
    > I have a feeling that the VFD application only enables communication with
    > the VFD and that some other Gateway app on the CD (MCE enhancements perhaps)
    > is what actually enables the rest. I'll have to play some more with that
    > once I've rebuilt my machine to 2005.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Michel Bordeleau
    > MS-MVP - Windows XP Media Center Edition
    > (remove oogle from email address to email me)
    >
    >
    > "Carl D. Smith" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> On Tue, 17 May 2005 19:04:18 -0400, "Doug Knox MS-MVP"
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Sorry, I missed the reference to the Track information. And I don't use
    >>>the Gateway for playing audio CD's, so I'd never have seen it anyway.

    >>
    >> When operating properly with MCE2004, the VFD should show the
    >> track names when playing CDs, time and chapter when playing a
    >> DVD, and even show the filenames of pictures under My Pictures.
    >>
    >> I have it from a reliable source that Microsoft changed something
    >> in the way MCE 2005 provides this information, and that's why the
    >> VFD doesn't work the same under MCE 2005.

    >
    >
     
    Doug Knox MS-MVP, May 20, 2005
    #25
  6. Cool... I'll have to take a look at that... right now I'm trying to
    determine if my drive is pooched. :(

    --

    Michel Bordeleau
    MS-MVP - Windows XP Media Center Edition
    (remove oogle from email address to email me)


    "Doug Knox MS-MVP" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    Possibly here, Michel.

    X:\1Gateway\Utility\Button

    --
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    Display\Security
    Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
    http://www.dougknox.com
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    "Michel Bordeleau [MCE-MVP]" <> wrote in message
    news:%23$...
    > Okay, so I was very curious about this so I trashed my 901x and recovered
    > from the Gateway DVD... and indeed, in MCE2004 the VFD does display track
    > info (when click next, not while playing) as well as having track time
    > etc.
    > It display which mode you are in (TV, Video, Pictures, etc) and a slew of
    > other things. That's very nice. I never upgraded from this state to
    > 2005
    > (did clean MSDN install) so perhaps in would stay in 2005 if an upgrade
    > from
    > 2004 was done.
    >
    > I have a feeling that the VFD application only enables communication with
    > the VFD and that some other Gateway app on the CD (MCE enhancements
    > perhaps)
    > is what actually enables the rest. I'll have to play some more with that
    > once I've rebuilt my machine to 2005.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Michel Bordeleau
    > MS-MVP - Windows XP Media Center Edition
    > (remove oogle from email address to email me)
    >
    >
    > "Carl D. Smith" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> On Tue, 17 May 2005 19:04:18 -0400, "Doug Knox MS-MVP"
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Sorry, I missed the reference to the Track information. And I don't use
    >>>the Gateway for playing audio CD's, so I'd never have seen it anyway.

    >>
    >> When operating properly with MCE2004, the VFD should show the
    >> track names when playing CDs, time and chapter when playing a
    >> DVD, and even show the filenames of pictures under My Pictures.
    >>
    >> I have it from a reliable source that Microsoft changed something
    >> in the way MCE 2005 provides this information, and that's why the
    >> VFD doesn't work the same under MCE 2005.

    >
    >
     
    Michel Bordeleau [MCE-MVP], May 20, 2005
    #26
  7. Mike Wann

    Noozer Guest

    No go here... Same as before. I just get a time display and the "PC"
    indicator is lit. Eventually the display will go blank, but I haven't
    figured out what causes that to happen.

    I've tried several emails to Gateway's support and been told where to
    download video drivers and that I don't need monitor drivers. They even
    suggested that it was broken and that I should ship it back to them for a
    minimum charge of $190 + shipping!!!

    I think we'd have better luck just reverse engineering the 2004 driver and
    coming up with a new 2005 one.

    "Doug Knox MS-MVP" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    Possibly here, Michel.

    X:\1Gateway\Utility\Button

    --
    Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart
    Display\Security
    Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
    http://www.dougknox.com
    --------------------------------
    Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
    http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
    --------------------------------
    Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
    Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.

    "Michel Bordeleau [MCE-MVP]" <> wrote in message
    news:%23$...
    > Okay, so I was very curious about this so I trashed my 901x and recovered
    > from the Gateway DVD... and indeed, in MCE2004 the VFD does display track
    > info (when click next, not while playing) as well as having track time
    > etc.
    > It display which mode you are in (TV, Video, Pictures, etc) and a slew of
    > other things. That's very nice. I never upgraded from this state to
    > 2005
    > (did clean MSDN install) so perhaps in would stay in 2005 if an upgrade
    > from
    > 2004 was done.
    >
    > I have a feeling that the VFD application only enables communication with
    > the VFD and that some other Gateway app on the CD (MCE enhancements
    > perhaps)
    > is what actually enables the rest. I'll have to play some more with that
    > once I've rebuilt my machine to 2005.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Michel Bordeleau
    > MS-MVP - Windows XP Media Center Edition
    > (remove oogle from email address to email me)
    >
    >
    > "Carl D. Smith" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> On Tue, 17 May 2005 19:04:18 -0400, "Doug Knox MS-MVP"
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Sorry, I missed the reference to the Track information. And I don't use
    >>>the Gateway for playing audio CD's, so I'd never have seen it anyway.

    >>
    >> When operating properly with MCE2004, the VFD should show the
    >> track names when playing CDs, time and chapter when playing a
    >> DVD, and even show the filenames of pictures under My Pictures.
    >>
    >> I have it from a reliable source that Microsoft changed something
    >> in the way MCE 2005 provides this information, and that's why the
    >> VFD doesn't work the same under MCE 2005.

    >
    >
     
    Noozer, May 20, 2005
    #27
  8. Ditto, I followed the instructions in the read me file and no results here. The contents of the "button" folder appear to be the files necessary to install a Service that would control the VFD. This would be ideal, as you'd want it to run whether a user was logged on or not. I've not given up yet.

    --
    Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart Display\Security
    Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
    http://www.dougknox.com
    --------------------------------
    Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
    http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
    --------------------------------
    Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
    Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.

    "Noozer" <> wrote in message news:Ibtje.1424010$6l.1297181@pd7tw2no...
    > No go here... Same as before. I just get a time display and the "PC"
    > indicator is lit. Eventually the display will go blank, but I haven't
    > figured out what causes that to happen.
    >
    > I've tried several emails to Gateway's support and been told where to
    > download video drivers and that I don't need monitor drivers. They even
    > suggested that it was broken and that I should ship it back to them for a
    > minimum charge of $190 + shipping!!!
    >
    > I think we'd have better luck just reverse engineering the 2004 driver and
    > coming up with a new 2005 one.
    >
    > "Doug Knox MS-MVP" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > Possibly here, Michel.
    >
    > X:\1Gateway\Utility\Button
    >
    > --
    > Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart
    > Display\Security
    > Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
    > http://www.dougknox.com
    > --------------------------------
    > Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
    > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
    > --------------------------------
    > Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
    > Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
    >
    > "Michel Bordeleau [MCE-MVP]" <> wrote in message
    > news:%23$...
    >> Okay, so I was very curious about this so I trashed my 901x and recovered
    >> from the Gateway DVD... and indeed, in MCE2004 the VFD does display track
    >> info (when click next, not while playing) as well as having track time
    >> etc.
    >> It display which mode you are in (TV, Video, Pictures, etc) and a slew of
    >> other things. That's very nice. I never upgraded from this state to
    >> 2005
    >> (did clean MSDN install) so perhaps in would stay in 2005 if an upgrade
    >> from
    >> 2004 was done.
    >>
    >> I have a feeling that the VFD application only enables communication with
    >> the VFD and that some other Gateway app on the CD (MCE enhancements
    >> perhaps)
    >> is what actually enables the rest. I'll have to play some more with that
    >> once I've rebuilt my machine to 2005.
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> Michel Bordeleau
    >> MS-MVP - Windows XP Media Center Edition
    >> (remove oogle from email address to email me)
    >>
    >>
    >> "Carl D. Smith" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> On Tue, 17 May 2005 19:04:18 -0400, "Doug Knox MS-MVP"
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Sorry, I missed the reference to the Track information. And I don't use
    >>>>the Gateway for playing audio CD's, so I'd never have seen it anyway.
    >>>
    >>> When operating properly with MCE2004, the VFD should show the
    >>> track names when playing CDs, time and chapter when playing a
    >>> DVD, and even show the filenames of pictures under My Pictures.
    >>>
    >>> I have it from a reliable source that Microsoft changed something
    >>> in the way MCE 2005 provides this information, and that's why the
    >>> VFD doesn't work the same under MCE 2005.

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
    Doug Knox MS-MVP, May 21, 2005
    #28
  9. "Turkey Dog Dave" wrote:

    > "Michel Bordeleau [MCE-MVP]" wrote:
    >
    > > That would be cool though. :)
    > >

    >
    > Yeah, but besides cool, the red recording indicator provided serious peace
    > of mind that the HTPC was indeed recording without having to fire up the TV
    > or switch from XBox, etc.
    >
    > It looks like the VFD installation loaded MCED.sys which was provided by the
    > Wistron Corp. I had noticed before that the FileWriter.dll in the
    > c:\Windows\ehome folder was also written by Wistron. Both circa Fall 2003.
    > Isn't FileWriter.dll the sample application Microsoft provides for developing
    > MSAS applications? It seems to be registered for ehmsas.exe to use, but I'm
    > not sure yet...
    >
    > I'm glad to have a glimmer of hope again anyway - a faint path to follow is
    > better than no path at all. I'm hoping this all comes in handy when I decide
    > to build my own HTPC - the reconditioned Gateway was just too tempting to
    > pass up, but they have lost my support.


    UPDATE:

    Looks like Wistron Corp is an Asian OEM spin-off of Acer that contracts out
    to larger OEMs like Gateway. The display board, if not more of the FMC-901
    is probably their work. Gateway is no doubt clueless as to how it works...

    The Wistron FileWriter.dll appears to talk to MCED.sys to pass on the MSAS
    info for the display. It looks like the MCED.sys driver could be accessed
    using the CreateFile() and DeviceIOControl() funcitons if one knew the right
    parameters. Still no idea why the MSAS - FileWriter.dll - MCED.sys link is
    working in MCE 2004 and not MCE 2005. I don't have anything in the way of a
    debugger on my MCE system (yet), and not much experience in system level
    debugging. But I am still game.

    The Media Center SDK FileWriter example seemed to be a good place to start.
    I did test the simple status file generation example - I called it
    TestFileWriter.dll and put the DLL in c:\Windows\ehome and used run with
    "regsvr32.exe c:\Windows\ehome\TestFileWriter.dll" to register it. Rebooted
    and started getting Media Center state output to a status file ehmsas.txt in
    the c:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Temp folder. It
    showed all the MCE session information including when it was recording
    without the user interface up. Just what we want if we can pass the
    information along to the display.

    Unregistering my TestFileWriter.dll stopped the status file generation. But
    unregistering the original FileWriter.dll didn't effect the clock display.
    Neither did registering it again. Same old red 'PC' and the clock.

    That's all I've got...
     
    Turkey Dog Dave, May 24, 2005
    #29
  10. It's been a while since I checked back here, and I am sorry to say that I
    haven't made any progress on the subject of getting the record light and
    other front panel display features to work right. And it seems that no one
    else has been working the problem either. Once my system was stable and
    reliable I guess I got used to not seeing the record light - it comes out of
    standby, records, and goes back to sleep mostly without any problems at all.
    And of course I burn all my time watching those recorded shows.

    Onder, you are no doubt correct that the front panel display driver MCED.sys
    gets its time directly from the system. At least we know that it is doing
    something - no clock display unless that has been installed.

    I had hopes that the guy at FrontView (http://www.MediaCenterMagic.com)
    would try to support the Gateway VFD, but it doesn't seem likely now. I
    wonder how many 901 systems Gateway sold. It wouldn't be a bad MCE machine
    with just a little bit of support from Gateway. But once you move to MCE
    2005 you are on your own, except for helpful forums like this...

    TDD
     
    Turkey Dog Dave, Aug 10, 2005
    #30
  11. This is a known issue with the 901X and will require a driver update from Gateway, Microsoft or someone in order to work properly.

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    Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
    http://www.dougknox.com
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    "Turkey Dog Dave" <> wrote in message news:...
    > It's been a while since I checked back here, and I am sorry to say that I
    > haven't made any progress on the subject of getting the record light and
    > other front panel display features to work right. And it seems that no one
    > else has been working the problem either. Once my system was stable and
    > reliable I guess I got used to not seeing the record light - it comes out of
    > standby, records, and goes back to sleep mostly without any problems at all.
    > And of course I burn all my time watching those recorded shows.
    >
    > Onder, you are no doubt correct that the front panel display driver MCED.sys
    > gets its time directly from the system. At least we know that it is doing
    > something - no clock display unless that has been installed.
    >
    > I had hopes that the guy at FrontView (http://www.MediaCenterMagic.com)
    > would try to support the Gateway VFD, but it doesn't seem likely now. I
    > wonder how many 901 systems Gateway sold. It wouldn't be a bad MCE machine
    > with just a little bit of support from Gateway. But once you move to MCE
    > 2005 you are on your own, except for helpful forums like this...
    >
    > TDD
     
    Doug Knox MS-MVP, Aug 10, 2005
    #31
  12. Mike Wann

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    901 rescue disc

    Anyone willing to share a disc. I need a copy as I just acquired a 901 and would like to get it up and working.
     
    adice67, Jan 1, 2013
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