General EULA Question

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Mark D. VandenBerg, Jul 1, 2006.

  1. Hypothetically, come January, or June or whenever, and I trundle down to
    CompUSA and buy my boxed copy of Vista (insert superlative here), and decide
    to continue dual-booting because Vista will not support my favorite
    shirt-ironing program, if I install other MSFT products such as Office or
    Money on both sides, am I in violation of the EULA for that product even
    though they are physically on the same machine?
     
    Mark D. VandenBerg, Jul 1, 2006
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  2. Yes. This is also a common question about installing the same MS products
    on a virtual machine in VPC as are installed on the host computer.

    Office is the only consumer product that permits the user to install the
    product on two computers, one a desktop and one a notebook, on the same
    licesnse (on condition that they are not generally used at the same time).

    The physical box is not the issue. Each installed OS is an instance of a
    computer so you can have many computers on the same box. Even though only
    one of them can run at a time.

    It would be the same if you used the same license to install XP on your
    computer twice (on different partitions of course).
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 1, 2006
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  3. I was 80% sure that this was the answer, although I was unaware of the
    Office exception. Logically, Streets & Trips should also have the same
    stipulations, but what do I know.

    So let's see, $350 for Vista Ultimatum, $500 for sundry extras...

    May as well buy a new computer in June, huh...


    Yes. This is also a common question about installing the same MS products
    on a virtual machine in VPC as are installed on the host computer.

    Office is the only consumer product that permits the user to install the
    product on two computers, one a desktop and one a notebook, on the same
    licesnse (on condition that they are not generally used at the same time).

    The physical box is not the issue. Each installed OS is an instance of a
    computer so you can have many computers on the same box. Even though only
    one of them can run at a time.

    It would be the same if you used the same license to install XP on your
    computer twice (on different partitions of course).
     
    Mark D. VandenBerg, Jul 1, 2006
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  4. I figure to do that also. That way I don't run into device driver issues
    and get a cpu and mobo that support virtualization in hardware. You would
    have interests of your own that would lead you in that direction. Fighting
    these issues in a beta test is one thing but when I am ready to use Vista
    for real I want everything professionally set up for me with guarantees and
    support.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 1, 2006
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  5. Only in violation of an unsigned agreement. No laws were broken.
     
    Michael Cecil, Jul 1, 2006
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  6. Are you suggesting he said anything about breaking laws? He asked about
    violating a EULA.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 1, 2006
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  7. It's the support issue, for me. I dare you to call (insert discount
    computer reseller here) and ask them about supporting a different O/S than
    what was OE. I don't need the hassle and the warranty issues. Gateway
    won't even support XP x64 on a machine with a 64-bit chip!

    Alienware and Voodoo are looking good, right about now...


    I figure to do that also. That way I don't run into device driver issues
    and get a cpu and mobo that support virtualization in hardware. You would
    have interests of your own that would lead you in that direction. Fighting
    these issues in a beta test is one thing but when I am ready to use Vista
    for real I want everything professionally set up for me with guarantees and
    support.
     
    Mark D. VandenBerg, Jul 1, 2006
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  8. Consider CyberPower also. That's where I got my XP Pro x64 based computer.
    I got pretty good phone support.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 1, 2006
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  9. Mark D. VandenBerg

    Zapper Guest

    I am not sure that this is correct.
    Colin, when you install something on VPC and on your HOST OS, you most often
    will have both OS's running at the same time, whereas in a dual boot
    configuration, you will NEVER have them both running at once.

    I think it is more like OEM software where it is bios locked to the actual
    machine...so you could run as many different installs(since they would never
    be running at the same time)
     
    Zapper, Jul 1, 2006
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  10. Trust me on this. Each instance, running or not, requires licensing. The
    only "inherited" license I have seen is in the EULA for Windows 2003 R2
    Enterprise Edition where, if 2003 R2 EE is the host, the license also covers
    up to four more instances of 2003 R2 EE in virtual machines on the same box.
    All on the one license.

    The XP EULA does not allow for a second installation and activation on ANY
    computer, and that includes the same computer.

    SLA (bios locked) is an alternative to activation used by system builders.
    I have never seen an SLA copy of Windows on physical media. I don't even
    know if they exist.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 1, 2006
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  11. That's kinda where my 20% fell, because of the EULA for Money, as an
    example.

    "1. USE RIGHTS.
    Installation and Use
    If you comply with this agreement, you
    may, for each license you acquire:
    .. Install and use one copy of the software on one personal computer or
    other device. You may install multiple copies of the software on one
    device, provided that you have a license for each copy. A license for the
    software may not be shared or used concurrently on different personal
    computers or devices."

    If I read this correctly, I can install Money 2005 in multiples on the same
    device only if I have multiple licenses or a group license. And this also
    does include a provision for a secondary installation and use on a "portable
    device," providing I am the main user of said portable device.

    So, if I am dual-booting on a laptop, it really gets muddy!

    I am not sure that this is correct.
    Colin, when you install something on VPC and on your HOST OS, you most often
    will have both OS's running at the same time, whereas in a dual boot
    configuration, you will NEVER have them both running at once.

    I think it is more like OEM software where it is bios locked to the actual
    machine...so you could run as many different installs(since they would never
    be running at the same time)
     
    Mark D. VandenBerg, Jul 1, 2006
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  12. The laptop? That particular "portable device" happens to qualify as a
    computer. I think they have in mind devices that use Windows CE,
    smartphones, and such.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 1, 2006
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  13. Oh, so now we're going to get all Clintonian! "What is the definition
    of..."

    :)

    BTW did you read how I fixed the AC'97 sound card issue on the laptop?
    Rather ah, creative of me, I thought.


    The laptop? That particular "portable device" happens to qualify as a
    computer. I think they have in mind devices that use Windows CE,
    smartphones, and such.
     
    Mark D. VandenBerg, Jul 1, 2006
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  14. If eBay can sell "IT" then Bill can sell "IS".

    What is the subject line?
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 1, 2006
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  15. Conexant AC97 Laptop Workaround

    If eBay can sell "IT" then Bill can sell "IS".

    What is the subject line?
     
    Mark D. VandenBerg, Jul 1, 2006
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  16. It is not practical for Microsoft to prosecute you. Cost them more for
    lawyer fees.
     
    Mario Rosario, Jul 1, 2006
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  17. Date? Or paste me an email. For the life of me I can't find it.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 1, 2006
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  18. Actually, the reason is that it is considered "casual copying". They do not
    prosecute that. They prosecute cases involving piracy in the sense of
    providing copies to others.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 1, 2006
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  19. I agree with that. I got a dozen or so computers just for my use. From
    upgrades.
     
    Mario Rosario, Jul 1, 2006
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  20. Mark D. VandenBerg, Jul 1, 2006
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