Glad you can clean install

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Breaker, Feb 1, 2007.

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    Breaker Guest

    So glad to see the links here posting how you can make the upgrade
    version install Clean. Also got the same information in email today
    from the Windows Secrets newsletter.

    Will make it much more likely for me to buy Vista now that I can save
    over $150 and get the Ultimate Upgrade instead of the full version.
    Breaker, Feb 1, 2007
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    Rob Guest

    I'm very surprised by this. DailyTech reports that they've tried it and it
    works flawlessly. Not only are you able to do a clean install but you can
    install the upgrade without having XP or any other legacy OS at all!

    It's a little time consuming as you have to run the installer twice.
    Although that's not a big issue as the full Vista installation took under
    30mins on my machine so doing it twice is still way faster than even
    installing XP alone.

    MSFT couldn't have done that on purpose, could they? All along they've been
    stressing the fact that (a) you cannot do a clean install, at least not with
    x86 and (b) you will need a fully activated legacy OS to upgrade from.
    Rob, Feb 1, 2007
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    MICHAEL Guest

    This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.

    The ability to do this has a lot of implications.

    MICHAEL, Feb 1, 2007
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    Troy McClure Guest

    anyone have a link to a step by step? im just curious... i have the full
    versions via msdn/technet

    in message
    Troy McClure, Feb 1, 2007
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    Dave B. Guest

    Dave B., Feb 1, 2007
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    Rob Guest

    Rob, Feb 1, 2007
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    VicTek Guest


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    Rob Guest

    Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the upgrade
    that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer to
    Rob, Feb 1, 2007
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    Dave B. Guest

    Actually since allot of people don't keep up on this sort of stuff, they'll
    probably sell quite a few copies of the full version.

    Dave B., Feb 1, 2007
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    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <> Rob
    While true, perhaps it was done accidentally on purpose to reduce the
    number of people who decide having to reinstall and reactivate XP just
    to reinstall Vista is too much hassle and just stick with XP?
    DevilsPGD, Feb 1, 2007
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    MICHAEL Guest

    I guarantee this was not done on purpose.

    This way, anyone can use an upgrade version. Even with *no*
    qualifying OS installed or without a qualifying disk.
    Anyone using a pirated copy of WinXP, no longer has to worry
    about being "validated". Also, user could setup a blank partition and
    install the upgrade there, without losing their WinXP.
    An upgrade sku/key has basically been turned into a retail version.

    No, Microsoft didn't do this "accidently on purpose".

    Take care,

    MICHAEL, Feb 1, 2007
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    Ray Rogers Guest

    Heads will probably roll over this one.
    Ray Rogers, Feb 1, 2007
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    ITinerant Guest

    I couldn't have said it better myself.
    ITinerant, Feb 1, 2007
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    arachnid Guest

    Or maybe Vista has a way to tell if it was installed this way, vs being
    done properly through a preinstalled XP. Maybe a year from now when
    they've suckered enough people in, all these 'improperly-installed' vistas
    will be shut down by Microsoft - and what right does anyone have to
    complain about the fortune it then costs them to get their systems working
    arachnid, Feb 1, 2007
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    Dale Guest

    Not even I can defend Microsoft's licensing on this one. I laughed out loud
    for several minutes over this one.

    Of course, the right thing is, if you know you don't qualify for the
    upgrade, you should not do this... Now, the question is, how the heck are
    you supposed to know that a trial version of Vista doesn't qualify for an
    upgrade to the full version? I guess we'll have to wait for some official
    word from Microsoft. *still laughing my a.. off*

    Dale, Feb 1, 2007
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    Zim Babwe Guest

    Why shouldn't he do it? If Microsoft allows it, then he should do it for
    convience. It's not like he is stealing. The software allows it, it's
    Microsoft's goof.
    Zim Babwe, Feb 1, 2007
  17. Your logic is flawed.

    If you make a $3.64 purchase and the clerk mistakenly gives you $2.36 in
    change instead of the correct $1.36 (and you realize that they made a
    mistake), does that make it right or ethical to keep the extra money?

    That's kind of the case here.

    Of course, in terms of the ethics of the situation, there are two
    distinctly different cases:

    -The customer really does have a copy of a qualifying earlier OS (XP,
    for example) that they COULD install.

    -The customer does not have legal right (based on the Eula and license
    terms) to use an upgrade copy instead of a full-product retail or OEM
    copy, but he's doing it anyway.

    I think that most of us would agree that in the first case, it's really
    not a problem. You may not think that the second case is an ethical
    problem either, but I do.
    Barry Watzman, Feb 2, 2007
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    Dale Guest

    If I go to the grocery store and the checker misses the cases of bottled
    water under my basket and I intentionally don't say a word and they don't
    catch it, am I stealing the water or is it free because it was the store's
    Dale, Feb 2, 2007
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    Spanky McFly Guest

    I read my post over again and it does look like I'm saying that it's OK to
    take advantage of Microsoft, but I'm not. Microsoft wants you to install XP
    and then install Vista, which I think is crazy if you don't have to. Yes, I
    know that some people will take advantage, but there are people who will
    install cracked versions of Vista also.

    On the other hand, if a clerk did make an error and give me more change than
    I should get, I would do the right thing and send it to Microsoft!

    Spanky McFly, Feb 2, 2007
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    sgopus Guest

    it's stealing. and you did it on purpose. if a thief doesn't get caught in
    the act it doesn't make it legal, nor right

    sgopus, Feb 2, 2007
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