GUI for the Defrag tool...

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Johnathonm, Dec 13, 2006.

  1. Johnathonm

    Johnathonm Guest


    Please restore the gui to vista. I know you want it to be seemless but we,
    as users, would like to have some control and idea what's occuring.

    It would also be useful to provide metrics for defragmentation pre, post
    etc. Apply this in Gui form, estimate performance gains etc.

    Also - MFT defrag? Any chance?

    Thank you

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    Johnathonm, Dec 13, 2006
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    Barry Guest

    Agree - My temporary "solution" -- When I dual boot to WinXP I run the XP
    defrag (analysis only) & I can at least see how bad things are on the Vista
    Barry, Dec 13, 2006
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  3. Johnathonm

    Johnathonm Guest


    In my view, I should have to migrate back to an older OS to have baseline
    functionality alone those lines. The loss of a gui and further visible
    refinements was, in my view, a poor choice on MSFT's end.

    Johnathonm, Dec 13, 2006
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    Gregg Hommel Guest

    Then simply replace the MSFT defrag with one that suits your needs
    better. Take a look at Auslogics defragger (free). Works fine in Vista
    and is GUI.
    Gregg Hommel, Dec 13, 2006
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    Robert Moir Guest

    Couple of things here...

    Firstly, a few people from Microsoft have posted on this subject here in the
    past and linked to a blog post (sorry don't have the link to hand) that told
    us something quite incredible - The XP defrag dialogue was telling us lies
    all along. Not on purpose you understand, apparently it just wasn't very
    accurate in terms of representing fragmentation very well or in the more
    mundane things such as reporting progress on the defrag task.

    So they made the decision to withdraw the gui for now, rather than leave
    something in that patently gives you false information. Which brings me to
    another point - using the defrag tool from an older version of Windows is
    deceptive for two reasons - it works in a different way from the defrag tool
    in Vista, and the XP defrag tool is, as I said above, known to lie.

    This is also a point in comparing one defragger to another. Different defrag
    tools have different ideas on how to manage the filesystem, and about what
    makes a well managed hard disk layout and what does not. So any time you see
    two defrag tools make different claims about a disk, it doesn't have to mean
    that one of them (usually the favourate tool of whoever is performing the
    test) is right and the other is wrong, just that they have different ideas
    about what 'right' really means.

    Secondly, did you know that Windows users are the only users who obsess so
    much over disk fragmentation? It's virtually a non issue for users of other
    operating systems such as Linux or Mac OSX for several reasons, not the
    least of which being that those operating systems take care of their file
    systems automatically without sitting up and begging for a pat on the head
    and a doggie biscuit every time they keep themselves running properly.

    This is part of what I think Microsoft would like to achieve with Vista.
    Removing the old inaccurate gui but greatly improving the automated
    maintenance abilities of the file systems means that in theory you should
    just be able to use your computer without worrying too much about what the
    disks are doing.

    Only time will tell if they succeeded, of course, but in the meantime why
    not give them the benefit of the doubt on this one? If you want to watch
    blocks move around the screen in a way that actually doesn't have any real
    relationship with what is actually happening to your hard drive, then why
    not start defrag running and play a game of tetris while it takes place?

    Robert Moir, Dec 15, 2006
  6. Just buy a copy of PerfectDisk 8, MUCH better than any bundled defrag
    tool. 50% discount until Tuesday.. (see below)

    Raxco is pleased to offer you the ability to purchase PerfectDisk 8 w/
    Vista & XP Support at 50% off of the regular price. That's about $20 for a
    single license copy and all you have to do is go to the Raxco Download
    Store, add PerfectDisk 8 to your cart, enter Coupon Code DEFRAGVISTANOW,
    and you're all set. But, you better hurry as the code expires soon.
    ** Code DEFRAGVISTANOW has been extended to expire at midnight on Tuesday
    December 19, 2006.
    Mark Gillespie, Dec 16, 2006
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    B Golden Guest

    The main reason I would like to see some sort of GUI interface in Vista's
    defragger is to get at least a guess if I have a few miuntes or days to do
    before it is done.

    I realize that I can get Perfect Disk or some other 3rd party defragger.
    However, I would like to have an OS for a change that doesn't need add on 3rd
    party software to run properly. Let's see..... get a 3rd party defragger,
    then get a 3rd party anti-virus program, then get a 3rd party boot manager
    the actually works, etc........
    B Golden, Dec 19, 2006
  8. Suggestions should be made directly to MS to ensure they are seen. Most of
    the MS webcast presenters suggest using . That is the
    email address for feature requests and enhancements.
    Colin Barnhorst, Dec 20, 2006
  9. I know the Windows XP Defrag was not accurate, but what about the Defrag
    tool that was in Window 9xMe? What ever happen to that? Why could Microsoft
    use that GUI and make it work with the NTFS and could of made it bettter.
    Raymond Kaber, Dec 26, 2006
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