Hackers program sent to me - help please and warning.

Discussion in 'Windows MSN Messenger' started by squidlet, Oct 31, 2004.

  1. squidlet

    squidlet Guest

    Hi there all,

    recieved a program on computer with filename (MSN block
    detector)(1)(1)(1).exe this afternoon from
    which fooled daughter
    into running the program. It came up with a good looking
    look-alike MSN page which she filled in her username and
    password on. This was then logged by program and sent to
    the user who'd sent it ...
    .
    When daughter signed off the user signed on in her place
    using her info and changed her profile name to something
    very obscene - not something to share here. I do not know
    what else the program can do or has done. Any info
    gratefully recieved.
    We have logged the conversation which proves the sender
    and have logged a further use which proves the change of
    profile name.
    Who does one notify about this abuse?
    Can the person responsible be tracked by microsoft or does
    anyone else know the identity?
    regards
    suidlets dad
     
    squidlet, Oct 31, 2004
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  2. squidlet

    John Bokma Guest

    There is no way you can prove that this person did this to your daughter
    since the culprit obtained your daughters MSN account and might as well
    have done the same to "stockholm".
    It doesn't. It simply could be another innocent bystander, like your
    daughter. Who knows how many people on your daughters contact list have
    been tricked by your "daughter"?
    Educate your daughter:

    [1] *Never* accept executables via MSN Messenger. Always ask for the
    source, and download them yourself and only if you *trust* the site.
    Note that most virus scanners can't detect tricks like this.

    If you ever need to accept an executable make 100% sure you are
    talking to a person, not a bot.

    Explain your daughter about what phishing is, and social
    engineering.

    [2] How did she get this person on her list in the first place (in case
    it is indeed the culprit)

    Also tell her not to give personal stuff to people she doesn't know.
    Sometimes class mates go at great length in their revenge and end up
    posting pictures or videos of others on sites, or share them with
    friends. It has already happened a few times, erotic pictures ending up
    all over the net of young people. Revenge of an ex... Sad but true.
    I think it's not up to MS to take action.
    Not guilty unless proven otherwise, see above.
     
    John Bokma, Oct 31, 2004
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  3. squidlet

    Suidlet Guest

    Thank you John,
    message given to daughter along with 'another' lesson.
    You are right, prove was not the word to use.
    I think I agree that it is not MS responsibility to take
    action but I would hope that if it was known that they
    could trace such use / abuse it might make some users,
    especially those thinking of such action, more hesitant
    about doing so.
    regards
    squidlets dad.
     
    Suidlet, Nov 1, 2004
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  4. squidlet

    John Bokma Guest

    It is sad that those things happen. And little can be done about it, I am
    afraid. Just be careful.
     
    John Bokma, Nov 1, 2004
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  5. James Donnelly [MVP], Nov 1, 2004
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  6. squidlet

    David Guest

    You also have no idea what the program did to your system it could have
    installed a backdoor or pretty much anything, the only way your going to be
    100% sure that your system is clean is to reinstall.

    Virus scanners etc won't be able to detect a custom backdoor or a kernel
    level Trojan.
     
    David, Nov 7, 2004
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  7. Thank you for the site address - we've been and read and
    hopefully learnt a thing or two.
    It is strange thast for a long time we have avoided MS and
    associated sites as they took so liong to load when on 56k
    modem. Life a bit different now but the problems that we
    never seemed to have met before also have come with the
    wonders of BBand.
    Thank you again as we would not have thought to look at
    the particular site you suggested.
    regards
     
    Squidlets dad, Nov 7, 2004
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  8. squidlet

    Guest Guest

    Thanks for the info - it feels pretty much like an
    invasion with us having no idea of the invaders actions.
    A heavy way to learn a lesson for a relative youngster.
    So now to unpack old PC and link up whilst 'cleaning'
    current machine.
    regards
    Squidlets dad
     
    Guest, Nov 7, 2004
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  9. "Squidlets dad" Thank you for the site address - we've been and read and
    hopefully learnt a thing or two.

    You are welcome.
     
    James Donnelly [MVP], Nov 8, 2004
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  10. Hello, "Squidlets dad" <>!
    You wrote on Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:33:24 -0800:

    ??>> -----Original Message-----
    ??>>
    ??>>> the user who'd sent it ...
    ??>>> .
    ??>>> Who does one notify about this abuse?
    ??>>
    ??>> I am not sure if you know about this link. There is a lot
    Sd> of good
    ??>> information there.
    ??>>
    ??>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/default.mspx
    ??>>
    ??>> At the bottom of this page link is something you may want
    Sd> to do.
    ??>>
    ??>> http://family.msn.com/onlinesafetyguide/article.aspx?
    Sd> name=onlinesafetyguide_article3
    ??>>
    ??>> --
    ??>> Be safe
    ??>> James Donnelly
    ??>> MVP MSN Photos
    ??>> http://msmvps.com/msnvision/
    ??>>
    ??>> .
    ??>>

    I realize this is not directly related to the topic you posted, but there
    are some other things you may want to monitor and also try to block. sites
    like kazaa.com, winmx.com, bearshear.com, and other P2P programs (P2P is
    short for Peer 2 Peer). I left the www. off of the sites, so they don't
    appear as links.
    The main reason I'm suggesting this is, certain programs on those sites are
    actually viruses that are designed to be spread through them. Also, the
    simple fact that the legality of downloading the content off of these sites
    is questionable (in some countries it is clearly illegal, and others it's
    not).

    Hope this helps you a little also, and I'm glad to hear that the sites that
    JD gave you were helpful.

    Patrick Dickey. E-mail: pd1ckey43(removeThis)@msn.com
     
    Patrick Dickey, Nov 8, 2004
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  11. Hello, "Patrick Dickey" <pd1ckey43(removeThis)@msn.com>!
    You wrote to Squidlets dad on Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:10:41 -0600:


    [Sorry, skipped]

    PD> I realize this is not directly related to the topic you posted, but
    PD> there are some other things you may want to monitor and also try to
    PD> block. sites like kazaa.com, winmx.com, bearshear.com, and other P2P
    PD> programs (P2P is short for Peer 2 Peer). I left the www. off of the
    PD> sites, so they don't appear as links.
    PD> The main reason I'm suggesting this is, certain programs on those sites
    PD> are actually viruses that are designed to be spread through them.
    PD> Also, the simple fact that the legality of downloading the content off
    PD> of these sites is questionable (in some countries it is clearly
    PD> illegal, and others it's not).

    PD> Hope this helps you a little also, and I'm glad to hear that the sites
    PD> that JD gave you were helpful.

    Ooops..<blushing> I should have said bearshare, not bearshear.. Sorry for
    the misspelling.
    Patrick Dickey. E-mail: pd1ckey43(removeThis)@msn.com
     
    Patrick Dickey, Nov 10, 2004
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