Has anyone successfully installed vista on a SIS chipset SATA driv

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Hardware' started by Greatwhite, Jul 18, 2006.

  1. Greatwhite

    Greatwhite Guest

    Have a gigabyte motherboard that is running a Sis964 Raid SATA chip. The
    drive are set as IDE in the Bios, but everytime I try to install vista I get
    numerous and different error messages. If I install to my EIDE drive, the OS
    installs correctly with NO error messages.

    Anyone have any Ideas here?

    Greatwhite, Jul 18, 2006
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    Mark D. VandenBeg, Jul 18, 2006
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  3. Greatwhite

    Greatwhite Guest

    Thanks for the reply, did a search of all forums and did not find any posts
    dealing with my perticular chipset, but did find a couple that may help, will
    have to wait until I get home to try

    Greatwhite, Jul 19, 2006
  4. Greatwhite

    Tony Thijs Guest

    Expect no sympathy from gigabyte. I have posted this message earlier/
    Kind regards
    Tony Thijs

    Last year I bought a Gigabyte SINXP1394 mobo with a Apollo Geforce FX 5500
    GPU. I have problems locating drivers for the embedded 3112 Silicon Image
    SATA controller.
    According to Silicon Image this is a OEM product where Mobo manufacturers
    are responsible for driver development.
    I have a written statement of Gigabyte stating that:,, We will wait until
    the final release of Vista with driver development and let it depend on
    market demand whether we will start developing a driver. for the SIL 3112 on
    the SINXP1394 mobo.
    Of course that is an effective way of letting people throw away their mobo.
    Has anyone experience with ASUS, ABIT or other mobo manufacturers concerning
    the 3x12 series of Silicon Image sata controllers in their embedded form and
    drivers for Vista?
    I talked with the largest Dutch consumer organisation and according to them
    Gigabyte won't get away with this support policy
    Kind regards,
    Tony Thijs

    Tony Thijs, Jul 26, 2006
  5. Greatwhite

    Kerry Brown Guest

    That motherboard is at least three years old. I know you don't want to hear
    this but in the computer world that is ancient. I expect that sometime after
    Vista is released you will be able to find drivers for the SIL 3112
    controller. You may even be lucky enough to find some after the RC1 or RTM
    releases are out. I wouldn't expect them to be motherboard specific from the
    motherboard manufacturer of a four year old motherboard (at the time of the
    scheduled Vista general release). The computer industry just doesn't work
    that way. There is not enough profit in a product to develop for it after
    you quit manufacturing it.
    Kerry Brown, Jul 27, 2006
  6. I'll bet he got a "great deal," though!
    Mark D. VandenBeg, Jul 27, 2006
  7. Greatwhite

    Kerry Brown Guest

    Consumer class motherboards are so cheap they are all a good deal. I can
    never understand why people but the cheapest motherboard then buy expensive
    name brand RAM, video cards etc to install on it. The motherboard in
    question is actually a decent board as far as SIS boards go but for a few
    dollars more he could have bought an Intel or VIA based board.
    Kerry Brown, Jul 27, 2006
  8. Greatwhite

    Tony Thijs Guest

    Absolutely right. This is probably the last time I buy anything else then
    Intel or VIA based motherboards.
    Furthermore I had no idea that the motherboard was that old. It supports DDR
    400 and SATA which rates it Vista ready according to the Windows Vista
    Upgrade advisor.
    The thing is that it was sold in retail stores all over Amsterdam last year.
    That takes care of my problems anyway.
    Consumer rules in the Netherlands -and the european union for that matter-
    are very strict. Really something to think of when you release software or
    hardware in the European countries.
    Here the date of sale is the only thing that counts. There are documented
    cases in court that state that products should be supported by manufacturers
    long after the warrantee periiod has expired
    Now I almost feel a bit sorry for Gigabyte. Their products are not really
    bad, but they should realize that the European Union has different rules
    then the rest of the world. Which in itself is not so suprprising.
    Furthermore their Commercial Manager Northern Europe offered to replace the
    motherboard for a newer version. That is a generous offer, but I would
    rather see that Gigabyte adheres to the rules and delivers well tested
    After all, the Silicon Image 3x12 RAID Chipset is applied in a host of
    Gigabyte products that can run for years if the right drivers are present.
    From that perspective Gigabyte is victem of their own sense of quality. The
    SINXP1394 was way ahead of competition, resulting in a long lifecycle in
    general compared to the competition.
    Tony Thijs
    Tony Thijs, Aug 3, 2006
  9. Greatwhite

    Kerry Brown Guest

    I would be quite surprised if the laws forced a manufacturer to support an
    OS that wasn't released when the motherboard was sold. There are drivers for
    XP which was current when the motherboard was sold. If a patch for XP broke
    the drivers then I can see that Gigabyte would be obligated to fix it. How
    can you expect them to support something that didn't exist at the time of
    the sale? If you bought a car and a couple of years later someone developed
    a new fuel that needed a different timing and air/fuel ratio would the car
    manufacturers be obligated to reprogram the car's computer to work with the
    new fuel even if the old fuel was still readily available?

    My reference to Intel and VIA wasn't to imply that there would be drivers
    available if you had a motherboard based on those chipsets. It was just that
    I believe they are better chipsets than SIS.
    Kerry Brown, Aug 3, 2006
  10. Greatwhite

    Tony Thijs Guest

    <<The computer industry just doesn't work
    that way. There is not enough profit in a product to develop for it after
    you quit manufacturing it.I know, thats whý law enforcement has been invented. Dutch consumer
    organisations have been rather effective in enforcing rules about product
    continuation., backed up by the European Union.
    That's why I have been carefull investing in own software development
    projects and specially carefull about what is put in SLA's.
    Watch out to restrict liability to heavy for a product that really gets
    popular because that's really inviting the legal sharks for breakfast :).
    As a matter of fact, after some friendly wakeup calls Gigabyte Taiwan
    decided to support the Silicon Image 3x12 SATA I RAID chipsets after the
    region manager Benelux and Nordics had been explained what consqeuences not
    deleviring drivers would have.
    As Gigabyte is also producing for renowned brands this means a significant
    expansion of devices supported by Vista
    I wrote this about it:
    Gigabyte takes the lead in legacy support for Vista drivers

    Although it is the distribution responsibility of motherboard manufacturers
    like Gigabyte and Abit to supply a customized SATA Vista driver for the
    Silicon Image 3x12 (and later versions), they have to wait for Silicon Image
    microcode before they can adapt that code and recompile a dedicated driver
    for all involved legacy or near legacy motherboards.

    Gigabyte is the first to make a statement indicating that as soon as Silicon
    Image delivers the microcode, Gigabyte will start customization for the
    Silicon Image 3x12 RAID controllers. See attached statement from Gigabyte

    This is of course slightly more then changing the .inf, but definitely not a
    long process.

    Microsoft should be happy with Gigabyte, as the usefulness of much useful
    legacy or near legacy equipment is extended by this and makes involved
    equipment suitable for a Windows Platform upgrade.

    Meanwhile owners of Sil 3x12 chipsets should take a couple of things into
    consideration when using Vista beta's with embedded versions of a Silicon
    Image Sil 3x12 SATA RAID chipset.

    Seven steps to an sane Vista system with the Silicon Image 3x12 SATA RAID
    controller J

    1.. Download the Silicon Image base version (when only 1 disk is attached
    to the SATA controllerattached) and Raid driver (when attaching two drives
    regardless of the fact that they are in a non raid configuration or else)
    from the Silicon Image website and expand these drivers to an USB stick
    2.. Boot from the Vista beta dvd
    3.. Have the base or raid (with a r extension) driver ready on an USB
    stick attached to the system
    4.. load the base or raid driver during a clean install of Vista beta2 (I
    used build 5472) on to an classic ATA boot disk partition
    5.. The Vista install will immediately see the SATA disks, thus preventing
    a later mix up of drive letters
    6.. Silicon Image (or any mobo manufacturer) does not recommend this while
    the driver is originally designed for Silicon Image own pci 3x12 SATA Raid
    controllers, not for embedded systems like on motherboards, but it works so
    7.. Check Vista's version of Windows update on a regular basis. All
    suppliers that have their -Signed and Windows Vista Logo compatible- Vista
    drivers ready will post them for distribution through the Microsoft Windows
    Update system.
    <Gigabyte Taiwan statement:

    "As for the issue upon Silicon Imgae RAID 3112 chipset of not able to
    support VISTA Beta:

    1) Vista Beta is not an official release retail OS, its major purpose is for
    Hardware / Software manufacturers to validate their products. And of course,
    during this validation period uncompatible issues might be found.

    2) When uncompatible issues are found, it is confirmed either/both Microsoft
    or Silicon Image are responsible to find solutions. When there are new
    solutions drivers available
    the chipset vendor will then provide to us. After that we will definitly
    provide the new drivers on our website for end-user to update."

    Kind regards,

    Tony Thijs

    Tony Thijs, Aug 5, 2006
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