How can I play WMV-HD or ripped DVDs with a Linksys MCE?

Discussion in 'Windows Media Center' started by ShamusFu, Jan 3, 2005.

  1. ShamusFu

    ShamusFu Guest

    I have a Linksys exender, and would like to play the sample Terminator-2
    WMV-HD file and the Media Center Extender will not play it due to missing
    CODECs.

    I have also copied some of my older Disney DVDs for the kids using
    DVDShrink, and they will not play either.

    All this stuff plays fine on my PC, but not through the extender.
     
    ShamusFu, Jan 3, 2005
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    Bob [MVP] Guest

    Bob [MVP], Jan 3, 2005
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    Derek Martin Guest

    Hi Bob, I thought the extender just renders streamed information from the
    host machine and any file the host can play the extender can play - is this
    not correct? I have lots of XVIDs and am thinking about getting an
    extender - will they not work?
    :)
    Derek
     
    Derek Martin, Jan 3, 2005
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  4. ShamusFu

    Bob [MVP] Guest

    Derek,

    Your understanding is incorrect. The video decoding
    is performed by the extender in hardware. It does not
    use software decoders that are installed on your PC,
    so it only supports a very limited number of formats.
    (see link to FAQ in my original reply)

    XVIDs are not supported.

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    Bob [MVP], Jan 3, 2005
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  5. ShamusFu

    Derek Martin Guest

    Well poo! Thanks Bob, I just about made a faux paux then...will hold off on
    extender till I can figure out how to go XVID to something compatible.

    Derek
     
    Derek Martin, Jan 3, 2005
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  6. ShamusFu

    ShamusFu Guest

    Any idea when this would be corrected?

    Frankly, I am a little disappointed after buying a 42" HDTV that I cannot
    use the extender for HD playback.

    If there is no timeline for this, then I would like to know so I can return
    the extender and maybe just get a honkin video card and connect the PC
    directly.

    Thanks for your answer.
     
    ShamusFu, Jan 3, 2005
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  7. ShamusFu

    Bob [MVP] Guest

    AFAIK, neither Microsoft nor any OEMs have made any
    announcements regarding HD Media Extenders.

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    _______________________________
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    Bob [MVP], Jan 3, 2005
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  8. ShamusFu

    Robin Guest

    message
    extender.

    Return the extender. Get a Connected DVD from Gateway, or a
    GoVideo machine (same product, different license)

    Not only will it allow you to wirelessly stream your MPEG's
    and other media files that your extender doesn't support, it
    is a fine progressive scan DVD player.

    I haven't tried it on WMV-HD, but it works fine on DIVX,
    MPEG4, etc.
     
    Robin, Jan 4, 2005
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  9. ShamusFu

    Robin Guest

    Forget Microsoft and their extenders. They are just
    watching out for their large corporate buddies by making
    sure that their extenders will only play media that is
    easily "licensed"

    Get a Gateway Connected DVD, or a DVD player from GoVideo
    (same machine, different license) It has 802.11G
    technology, and can wirelessly stream your DIVX's. It's
    also a damed fine progressive scan DVD player. All this for
    under $200 bucks.
     
    Robin, Jan 4, 2005
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    Mark Guest

    We keep hearing from the MVP's, I don't know and "AFAIK"...... What are the
    plans for these updates... Again, I have been with the MCE since the day it
    came out October of 2002 and I can't handle this mismanaged crap any longer.
    While I appreciate all of the expertise of the MVP's and how much tghey have
    helped me specifically... I don't know is not an answer! How about " I
    have asked about this and am awaiting an answer?" Or... "I will look into
    this....?" Because HP, Linsys, MS, HP, Sony, blah, blah, blah don't have a
    clue either.....

    I am about to go buy a Media Player and TIVO and connect that to my Home
    Theater and I would be just fine... (Withhold comments please). I have been
    committed to MS on this...but this Project Management is crazy! MCE should be
    easily much better than it is....
    Mark
     
    Mark, Jan 4, 2005
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  11. ShamusFu

    Spectre Guest

    I have to agree, I am getting more and more PISSED at MS and their cronies
    especially the MVP pundits on here.

    SIMPLE QUESTION:

    WHY THE F*CK is MCE 2005 being SABOTAGED and seemingly CRIPPLED on purpose
    by Microsoft itself?

    I WANT TO STREAM MY F'ing VIDEO / AUDIO ( IN ANY STANDARD PC FORMAT I
    CHOOSE!) from point A to point B WTF is the problem? It certainly is NOT a
    technical or hardware problem.

    I WANT TO WATCH MY F'ing DVDs and listen to MY F'ing CDs (THEY ARE MINE, I
    PAID FOR THEM!) where ever I want on MY NETWORK (Paid for that too) on MY
    PLAYBACK EQUIPMENT in MY HOUSE. WTF is the problem there? What is the point
    of MCX devices?

    I WANT TO RECORD AND STREAM TV/CABLE/SATELLITE (god damn alien broadcasts if
    I want) on MY NETWORK and MY EQUIPMENT. WTF is the issue here?

    MS, MCE is becoming a cluster F*CK of massive proportions. Stop screwing
    around and make the software work AS it should! I was pissed after MCE 2004
    and again after the "NO UPGRADE" fiasco and now I PAID to upgrade my 3 month
    old MCE 2004 - MCE 2005 and the are a whole lot of "BUTS" and "ONLY IF's"
    being thrown out. I buy the Xbox MCX and am now holding off on getting a
    Linksys MCX because WTF is the point of either?

    You don't want Xboxes modded but guess what a modded Xbox running XBMC or
    another FREE third party app does all the above and then some. SHIT, HIRE
    THEM, BUY THEM do something obviously they are better coders than the MORONS
    who write code for MCE because their SHIT WORKS! While your at it buy Xcuter
    too cause for $60.00 and an XBOX will put any MCX to shame.

    So sick of the politics and GREED in this business. ****-RIAA, ****-MPAA and
    **** any COMPANY that purposely tries to gridlock and stifle what WE THE
    CONSUMER WANTS. A SIMPLE, TRANSPARENT MEDIA PLAYBACK DISTRIBUTION and
    STORAGE system for ALL our media on our NETWORKS. Fight it and all you do is
    fuel piracy, and more...

    Go ahead and dismiss this request at your own peril.
     
    Spectre, Jan 4, 2005
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  12. ShamusFu

    Bob [MVP] Guest

    All MVPs have signed legally binding NDAs with Microsoft.
    We cannot comment on any future product features or timelines
    before they are officially announced by Microsoft.

    Regarding technical problems, quite often an MVP
    will bring those issues to Microsoft's attention,
    and try to get resolutions.

    And as far as my use of "AFAIK", I'm simply pointing
    out that my answer is based on my own personal knowledge.
    I don't have the time to review all recent Microsoft press
    releases before responding to a newsgroup post. But the
    answer I provide is accurate and correct (AFAIK). :)

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    -Bob
    _______________________________
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows XP Media Center Edition
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    Bob [MVP], Jan 4, 2005
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  13. The hardware decoder in the current MCX's is limited to decode of 720x480.
    Since you keep hearing people say "I don't know" and "AFAIK" that either
    means Microsoft has not publicly released any information, or they just
    don't know.

    I personally am not expecting any current devices based on the
    ADSP-BF532eM10 to play anything above 720x480 anytime soon. You can either
    take that as never, or whatever else you would like. :)

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    and reproducing issues, not necessarily for me to
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    Chris Lanier [MVP], Jan 4, 2005
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  14. You can't rip any WMV-HD based content off the DVD's unless you content
    produces have not used any type of Rights Management (All of them are
    currently using Rights Management). Any device using the EM8620L from Sigma
    Designs has the "ability" to decode WMV9 [email protected] at 720p. There is no
    hardware based decoder that can do 1080p on the market at this point and
    time. I don't remember off the top of my head it the Gateway units are
    using the EM8620L, but I would guess not since I don't remember the device
    supporting WMV decode at all.

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    Chris Lanier [MVP], Jan 4, 2005
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  15. ShamusFu

    Robin Guest

    I don't recall anybody mentioning ripping WMV-HD content off
    of DVD's. The OP wanted to be able to view WMV-HD previews
    he's downloaded from Microsoft.

    The other issue he had was an extender not being able to
    play his DIVX files. The player I mentioned can.

    You overanalyzed that post a bit didn't you?
     
    Robin, Jan 4, 2005
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  16. ShamusFu

    Spectre Guest

    OK, "BOB" so get an "anonymous" email address, tell a friend to post.. Come
    on NDA's are a JOKE as are the dweebs that actually believe that people that
    have them NEVER violate them.

    How about MS bringing the god damn fixes and proper information to their
    customers PROMPTLY? And if AFAIK is the best you can do then WE obviously
    can do without YOU. Get me the next level dipshit the MS collective.
     
    Spectre, Jan 4, 2005
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  17. ShamusFu

    Robin Guest


    It's all about the digital rights management. Microsoft is
    "partnering" with the music and movie industry to make sure
    that "fair use" is a thing of the past.


    Bypass Microsoft and their partners all together and get a
    Connected DVD player, or a GoVideo DVD player. Play almost
    any audio and video file type you want over your network,
    even DVR-MS.
     
    Robin, Jan 4, 2005
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  18. No, I just didn't read it. ;-)

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    Chris Lanier [MVP], Jan 4, 2005
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    ShamusFu Guest

    Excuse the sarcasm from my thread-mates. Your comments have been very helpful.

    I can rip and view pretty much any DVD and watch the files from hard disk on
    the local media center PC using Windows Media Player 10 and the nVidia DVD
    codec.

    They just will not play on the extender.

    It sounds like you hafe answered my question.

    My options for using the extender are to convert the DVDs to one if the
    formats supprted by the MCE. This, frankly, defeats the reason to have an
    MCE.

    I would rather have spent the $300 on honkin video card and dolby 7.1 sound
    card for the PC itself and connect it directly.

    I would not want to forfeit the TV recording, so the 'streamers' etc from
    Gateway are not an option for me. I like the all Microsoft solution. It is
    very easy to use.
     
    ShamusFu, Jan 4, 2005
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  20. ShamusFu

    PanelPet Guest

    FWIW:

    If you wanted to play ripped Cartoon DVDs, it is *possible* with the
    LinkSys/HP extender (MCX) - as long as the video doesn't go over 6.5Mbps.
    [*some* cartoons are below the limit, but not most regular movies -- if they
    go over the bitrate limit they can wedge the MCX]

    Rip them to VOB, and rename the .VOB to .MPG
    No extra compression step needed, you can leave them in original DVD MPEG2
    quality, assuming you have a large hard disk.

    Then try playing via the MCX interface
    If you haven't checked the bitrate first, cross your fingers ;->

    MCX playing control is lame, so rip &/or join them in MPEG chunks that will
    keep the kids entertained for a long time.


    ---
    If within range, direct wiring to the PC is usually cheaper and more
    reliable.
    BTW: the Gateway device and others top out at 3Mbps (officially)

    ------
    As mentioned, the MCX does not play HD-WMV files. They are beyond the
    supported resolution, and bandwidth
    [typically 6 -> 8 Mbps, the MCX is rated at around 4Mbps for WMVs and
    6.5Mbps for MPEG2]

    http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linksys.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1890
     
    PanelPet, Jan 4, 2005
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