How good is Vista's System Restore

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Alan Robinson, Jan 20, 2007.

  1. I have been using Symantec's GoBack for many years and it has saved my bacon
    on many occassions. But will not be available for Vista. I have been looking
    at Rollback RX which is supposed to be really good but you have problems
    defraging your hard disk. You have to uninstall rollback, defrag and then
    re-intsall and then you lose your restore points. So how good is Vista's
    system restore? Would I be able to bank on it in an emergency? Any thoughts
    and ideas would be appreciated. I did think of Acronis True Image as a
    companion, but was rreally looking for something along the lines of GoBack.
    Many thanks,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Robinson, Jan 20, 2007
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    Conor Guest

    Vistas system restore is very good as is the VSS which allows you to
    restore several previous revisions of a file.
     
    Conor, Jan 20, 2007
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  3. Alan Robinson

    Ed. Guest

    Ed., Jan 20, 2007
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  4. I have uses Vista's full system restore and it works.

    That being said, I much prefer Acronis TrueImage HOME Edition 10.0 to image
    the system partition and then restore from the saved image. www.acronis.com

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    Richard Urban, Jan 20, 2007
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  5. Alan Robinson

    Bert Kinney Guest

    Hi Alan,

    I would not recommend using rollback applications that were designed for XP,
    and nothing from Norton, who purchased GoBack.

    Previous version/Shadow Copy can be used to recover single files and folders.
    http://bertk.mvps.org/html/shadow.html

    System Restore in Windows Vista well for recovering from system problems.
    http://bertk.mvps.org/html/vista.html

    For Vista Business and Ultimate users there's Complete PC Backup.
    http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/sof...C_Backup_utility/0,139023769,339272295,00.htm

    For Vista Home users, Acronis True Image is a good choice.
    http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage

    Regards,
    Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
    http://bertk.mvps.org
    Member: http://dts-l.org
     
    Bert Kinney, Jan 21, 2007
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  6. Alan Robinson

    Kerry Brown Guest


    I agree with Bert. The system restore in Vista uses Shadow Copy and is much
    more robust than the System Restore in XP. It is however only one part of a
    disaster recovery plan. It is not a substitute for a backup.

    I would avoid GoBack for any OS.
     
    Kerry Brown, Jan 21, 2007
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  7. Alan Robinson

    Robert Moir Guest

    It's very good at what it does, but it does something different to what your
    post implies you think it does. VSS, System Restore, etc. are no substitute
    for a backup.
     
    Robert Moir, Jan 21, 2007
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  8. Alan Robinson

    Robert Firth Guest

    Windows Complete Backup and Restore is good, you might want to give it a
    try. Windows Vista has at least three different ways to backup for
    disaster: System Restore, Backup and Restore wizzard, and Windows Complete
    Backup and Restore.

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    Robert Firth, Jan 22, 2007
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  9. Alan Robinson

    MICHAEL Guest

    Unfortunately, CompletePC Backup is not available in all versions.
    It only comes in Business and Ultimate.

    -Michael
     
    MICHAEL, Jan 22, 2007
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  10. While i agree Vista's complete PC Backup has its uses it isn't something i
    would rely on. From my experience of using it, it doesn't have any
    compression options, so if you are imaging (or shadow copying) a drive of,
    say 50GB, then you need 50GB available for the image. I haven't tried
    imaging to DVDs but, again, from other conversations, i gather that the
    'restore' process for DVDs has to go in reverse order. In other words if you
    have disk 1 to 5, the you insert 5 first to get the restore going. Insert
    disk 1 first and Vista complains.

    There are far better third party imaging options available. As manu have
    said, Acronis is one, Paragon is another, so is casper.

    As for anything from Norton i'd bin it. They were good back in the Windows
    95/98 era, but i find Norton applications nowadays cause more trouble than
    they actually cure.

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    John Barnett MVP, Jan 22, 2007
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    CZ Guest

    While i agree Vista's complete PC Backup has its uses it isn't somethingwould rely on. From my experience of using it, it doesn't have any
    compression options, so if you are imaging (or shadow copying) a drive of,
    say 50GB, then you need 50GB available for the image. I haven't tried
    imaging to DVDs but, again, from other conversations, i gather that the
    'restore' process for DVDs has to go in reverse order. In other words if you
    have disk 1 to 5, the you insert 5 first to get the restore going. Insert
    disk 1 first and Vista complains.

    There are far better third party imaging options available. As manu have
    said, Acronis is one, Paragon is another, so is casper.

    John:

    I have been evaluating the Acronis True Image 10.0 backup product.
    Very impressive product.

    As a test, I did a backup and restore of Vista RTM, all from within Vista
    RTM.
    No problems.
    Using the Normal compression setting:
    Op system vol: 9.2 GB used
    Compressed file size: 3.6GB
     
    CZ, Jan 23, 2007
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    ozziaj Guest

    Best backup software? Acronis True Image Workstation® - any version after 9.1
    (build 3,832) works on Vista RTM without problems. Compresses to about 40%
    (on a medium setting), is super fast for backups and restoring, works from
    ‘outside’ Windows as well as from ‘inside’, allows image mounting in either
    read-only or read & write modes, and uses its own highly secure file-system
    partition. Beats anything Microsoft has to offer!
     
    ozziaj, Jan 28, 2007
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    supizh2 Guest

    Hi, Alan

    Paragon Drive Backup 8.5 supports Vista perfectly.
    http://www.drive-backup.com/
    I tested it on my home PC with Windows Vista installed. I use Paragon
    products for 3 years and absolutely pleased with it. The function of
    differential backup helps to save free space and gives the ability to
    restore system condition on the certain date. Schedule backup is very
    usefull too, once scheduled, it will be done, for example, every night
    without any actions from your side. If something happens with your
    windows installation, you can always boot from recovery CD and restore
    your system. And another very important thing is Paragon's Support. It
    works divinely! There is no situation when they can't help me!
     
    supizh2, Feb 2, 2007
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    GreenWing Guest

    Acronis True Image is a good product, no doubt...I have been using it long
    before Vista...But they are indeed having Vista issues...TI-10 is the
    current version for Vista, but there are still problems for quite a few
    folks...Check out their support forum...
    http://www.wilderssecurity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65

    I am currently unable to do a confident backup of my vista drive nightly
    like I did under XP/MCE and True Image 9...The backup runs successfully but
    the validate fails...

    Greenwing
     
    GreenWing, Feb 19, 2007
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    CZ Guest

    Acronis True Image is a good product, no doubt...I have been using itbefore Vista...But they are indeed having Vista issues...TI-10 is the
    current version for Vista, but there are still problems for quite a few
    folks...Check out their support forum...
    http://www.wilderssecurity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65

    I am currently unable to do a confident backup of my vista drive nightly
    like I did under XP/MCE and True Image 9...The backup runs successfully but
    the validate fails...

    Greenwing:

    Do you have the latest build: 4940
     
    CZ, Feb 19, 2007
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  16. Alan Robinson

    GreenWing Guest

    Yes I do...Installed it the day it was released...

    here is a link to my issue at their support site...ACRONIS has yet to
    respond...

    Had info in another thread on their site but decided to start a new one in
    hopes someone from Acronis would respond...

    http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=166028

    Greenwing
     
    GreenWing, Feb 19, 2007
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    nick Guest

    My build reads 4.871. Do you have a link for build 4940 ? Thank you
     
    nick, Feb 19, 2007
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  18. Alan Robinson

    nick Guest

    Never mind, figured it out :)

     
    nick, Feb 19, 2007
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    Adam Guest

    In my view Vistas System Restore stinks. I created 2 backups one DVD based
    and one Reserve disk based, then I attemted test restoration to a couple of
    test disks ( I have dual boot XP and Vista) which I connected in stead of the
    origina disks.

    My findings so far:
    Vista did not find the DVD based backup. Some people here wrote that the
    DVDs must be inserted in reversed order. I belive I tryed this too but with
    the same negative result.

    When trying the Disk based backup Vista complanied that it either is not
    finding the disks or that they are too small. Correctly the are of smaller
    size than the original disks but large enough to contain both Operative
    systems each. From what I found on the net Vista suppots only restoration to
    the exact disk the backup was taken from, if so this is an unexaptable
    limitation for a backup and restore software.

    In addition, I have XP on my C: and Vista on V: Most likely upon failure
    only one of them fails and needs restoration while the other is still in tact
    but VIsta forces me to restore both.

    I have been using Ghost 2003 before which I was very happy with but
    unfortunately no longer supported for Vista.
     
    Adam, Apr 19, 2007
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  20. If you are just trying to make a backup image of a disk and not restore an
    entire computer, you can use the wbadmin command-line tool. Complete PC will
    always back up the system and boot volumes (in your case C and V) so that it
    can restore the computer to the same functional state. Wbadmin does not have
    this requirement and you can back up an individual volume.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "Vista did not find the DVD-based backup." I
    see a lot of customers do, say, a File Backup and then try to restore using
    Complete PC and vice versa. This might be what you are running into. Also,
    you mention trying System Restore but this doesn't use DVDs, so I'm not
    clear on what you tried to do here.
     
    Jill Zoeller [MSFT], Apr 20, 2007
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