How to gain full control in Vista

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by Fietsenmaker, Jun 16, 2007.

  1. Fietsenmaker

    Fietsenmaker Guest

    I bought a new Acer computer with Vista.
    After trying a week it still tells me that I do not have acces to
    everything.
    I need to access the application data folder in my personal folder.
    I have been trying it for a long time but everytime Vista tells me that
    it cannot.
    I am the only user with administrators rights, no password anyehere.
    This is my last chance otherwise I think to go back to XP.
    I hope someone out there can help me.
    Have a nice weekend
     
    Fietsenmaker, Jun 16, 2007
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  2. Fietsenmaker

    Neil Harley Guest

    You cannot access Application Data because it is a junction point and
    not a directory. Junction Points are for backward-compatibility

    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/Aa819663.aspx

    http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm

    hth
     
    Neil Harley, Jun 16, 2007
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    Rock Guest

    You only saw those folders because you elected to show hidden files/folders
    and display protected Operating system files and folders. They are hidden
    for a reason. You don't need access to them. They hold no data. All they
    contain is a pointer to the actual folder where the data is kept. They are
    actually a junction point.
    Certain folders used in XP, such as these, were brought into Vista for
    compatibility for legacy apps. They are not used to store data. They appear
    dimmed with the shortcut arrow and give access denied. If you want to see
    what folder it points to, open a elevated command prompt, navigate to the
    folder that contains the folder in question and give the command:
    dir /al

    Junction points are designated by <Junction> and the folder to which it
    points is at the end of the line in square brackets. Do not change the
    permissions on these junction points. It can cause problems for the same
    legacy apps they are they for in the first place.

    From a post by Jimmy Brush here is a list of the these XP folders and their
    corresponding locations in Vista:
    Windows XP Location Windows Vista Location
    \Documents and Settings \Users
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents \Users\$USER$\Documents
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Music \Users\$USER$\Music
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Pictures
    \Users\$USER$\Pictures
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Videos \Users\$USER$\Videos
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Application Data
    \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Cookies
    \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings
    \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\NetHood
    \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network Shortcuts
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\PrintHood
    \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer Shortcuts
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Recent
    \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\SendTo
    \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Start Menu
    \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Templates
    \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Application Data
    \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\History
    \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\History
    \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
    \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files
    \Documents and Settings\All Users \ProgramData
    \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data \ProgramData
    \Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop \Users\Public\Desktop
    \Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents \Users\Public\Documents
    \Documents and Settings\All Users\Favorites \Users\Public\Favorites
    \Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu
    \ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
    \Documents and Settings\All Users\Templates
    \ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Templates
    \Documents and Settings\Default User \Users\Default "
     
    Rock, Jun 16, 2007
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  4. Fietsenmaker

    chinga69 Guest

    i can access mine after i become owner of c in security setting
     
    chinga69, Jun 16, 2007
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  5. Fietsenmaker

    Rock Guest

    You don't want to change permissions on these legacy folders nor is there
    any need to.
     
    Rock, Jun 16, 2007
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  6. Fietsenmaker

    DArnold Guest

    You see that folder because you selected show hidden folders in Folder
    Options.
    That folder and other folders are pointers to legacy applications from
    an upgraded from XP to Vista.

    The legacy folders on Vista are protected, as you have no need to be in
    them.
     
    DArnold, Jun 16, 2007
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  7. Fietsenmaker

    Jimmy Brush Guest

    If he recursively changed permissions/ownership on every file on his
    hard drive I think that is the least of his problems...
     
    Jimmy Brush, Jun 16, 2007
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  8. Fietsenmaker

    chinga69 Guest

    If he recursively changed permissions/ownership on every file on his
    hard drive I think that is the least of his problems...

    what do you mean?
    what problems will that cause
     
    chinga69, Jun 16, 2007
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  9. Fietsenmaker

    Jimmy Brush Guest

    Changing permissions on system drives/folders/files is pretty risky, due
    to the complex nature of permissions and the way the system, programs,
    and possibly other computers in a networked environment interact with
    these security settings.

    You should only change permissions on files/folders that you created,
    unless you really know what the consequences of your actions will be.

    And if you do decide to change a security setting on a system
    drive/folder/file, you should minimize the change you make, as in only
    apply it to a specific file or folder.

    Some programs may take dependencies on the security settings that are
    applied to system folders/files, and changing these settings can cause
    unpredictable results.

    For example, if you were to take ownership of your system drive and
    everything it contains, and then add a permission granting "everyone"
    full control to your system drive and everything it contains, you have
    effectively crippled most (if not all) of the security that Windows can
    provide.

    Granted, that may have been what you were wanting to do, but it is a
    poor way of doing it - you should turn off the actual security
    feature(s) you don't like instead of hacking away at the file security
    settings, because it can lead to unpredictable results (read: unstable
    system).
     
    Jimmy Brush, Jun 16, 2007
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  10. Fietsenmaker

    chinga69 Guest

    ok thanks for the info
     
    chinga69, Jun 17, 2007
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  11. Fietsenmaker

    Rock Guest

    Good point, I was replying without thinking too much on it, from the point
    of the original poster, not what chinga said he actually did.
     
    Rock, Jun 17, 2007
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  12. Fietsenmaker

    Can Guest

    Hallo, my name is Can. I am from germany. I haven´t got a answer, but I have
    a question. I bought a Fujitsu Siemens Computer and it works with Vista. But
    when ever I want to download anything from the Internet, the Computer
    otomaticly starts the Computer again.

    Please help me, I don´t know, what I do or did wrong.
     
    Can, Jun 17, 2007
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  13. I thought if you own the computer you chould be able to run it the way YOU
    want it to run not Vista controling it
     
    Unistall service pack2, Nov 22, 2007
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  14. Fietsenmaker

    Alun Jones Guest

    Sure, and if you own a car, you can turn it into a bicycle by removing the
    engine and two wheels - but it won't handle corners very well, and the top
    speed won't be as advertised.

    If you go through from the root of the drive, and change permissions and
    ownership on all the files all the way down the tree, you have a good chance
    of making the system inaccessible to itself.

    Alun.
    ~~~~
     
    Alun Jones, Nov 26, 2007
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