How to get the Vista Search to find something?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista File Management' started by Sults, May 1, 2009.

  1. Sults

    Sults Guest

    I have noticed several times, that search under Vista is not functioning
    properly.
    For instance, searching all hard drives for *.jpg files did not found any
    pictures from Users/username/Pictures folder. The search itself has limited
    functionality: it is not possible to search files created from date to date,
    I can not find any options how to set search pane to be always with advanced
    search options, etc.
    Why Microsoft releases such crap? New versions are supposed to be better
    than older ones, but Vista has several degraded functions compared to XP.
     
    Sults, May 1, 2009
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  2. Sults

    Dave T. Guest

    Please do your homework. If you decide to go rattlesnake hunting, first
    get a book about snakes.

    Try this snake book, for starters; >
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb776808.aspx


    First, don't bother with the search box in the start menu, unless you
    are looking for a system file or program file.

    On your keyboard press windows start + F. On the tool bar you will click
    what type of file you are looking for, e.g. "pictures". On the same tool
    bar you will click the down arrow to give you advanced options where you
    will make use of the proper syntax that you studied in the snake book.

    I have found that Vista search is superior to XP search in great
    measure, once I admitted to myself that the two are not the same. It is
    new, and therefore it is different.

    Dave T.
     
    Dave T., May 1, 2009
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  3. Sults

    Sults Guest

    My english is maybe too poor for you to understand, but your suggestion to do
    my homework is pretty useless.
    1. For some strange reason Vista Search does not find any files from
    users/.../pictures folder if I search all my local hard drives. I can not
    understand how your suggestion would help there?

    2. I want, that every time when I start searching some files,
    I know the (Microsoft key+F) trick, but I can not undestand why I should
    always press advanced button before I have reasonable form where I can set
    multiple search criteria? It would be much better, if one could set advanced
    search form to be default search form. I understand, that Microsoft tries to
    adapt their software to morons and is trying to simplfy everything, but why
    those who are not morons and can use some more advanced functions should
    suffer? Ok, I accept if I get some simplified form with no advanced functions
    when I run it first time. But if I switch to advanced search, then why it
    switches back to the morons interface again, when I run the search next time?

    3. I have millions of files on my hard disks. I often remember about when I
    created the file that I am searching for. But usually no more specific
    information about the file. It would be nice if I could set serch from and to
    dates or even exact date. But I can not.

    XP search is definitely superior and Vistas crap is barely usable.
    Especially because the first reason.
     
    Sults, May 1, 2009
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    Retroman Guest

    You don't have to use Advanced at all! You can type or paste multiple
    criteria in any search window. The new search syntax allows both simple
    and very complex queries, which can be saved for reuse if needed via a
    tool bar button in Explorer.
    Of course you can do that, and much more, once you learn the syntax. For
    example, this query:

    created:12/01/08 .. 01/01/09

    will return files created in December, 2008 (assuming that your Windows
    short date format follows the mm/dd/yy format).

    Dave T has given you excellent advice, please take it. Here's another
    reference page on creating queries:
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/desktopsearch/technicalresources/advquery.mspx

    Doug M. in NJ
     
    Retroman, May 1, 2009
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  5. Sults

    Sults Guest

    Ok, I see!
    I have to learn some syntax and if I have very careful and do not do any
    mistakes (I wonder if German date format, like 20.12.98 .. 31.01.09, is
    allowed?) , then maybe the Search finds some results for me even without
    entering advanced mode. But if it does not search every folder even if all
    hard driver are listed as target, then it is still waste of time to use it. I
    found, that search does not search Users\..\Pictures\ folder. I have not
    found any explanation why it behaves thi way. Is there some documentation
    explaining what folders are not supposed to be searched using Vistas Search?
     
    Sults, May 1, 2009
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  6. Sults

    Retroman Guest

    You have full control over what folders are indexed. Use the Indexed
    Locations dialog, reached via the Modify button on the Indexing Options
    dialog (from Control Panel). After clicking the button, click the
    Advanced button to see the folder selection tree.

    Of course, you can search non-indexed folders at any time by choosing the
    "include non-indexed, hidden, and system files" option, but that is slow
    if there are many files.

    One other tip: if files that you know exist in an indexed folder do not
    show in results, they may be marked "hidden" or "system". An indexed
    search will never return files with these attributes, and you may be
    surprised at how many ordinary files are so marked (or mismarked). Either
    remove the offending attributes or do a non-indexed search to find such
    files. Of course, even then the files will only appear in search results
    if Win Explorer has been told to "show hidden and system files".

    As for date formats in queries, I believe that you can use whatever format
    Windows shows for short dates in your Regional & Language Options settings
    in Control Panel. However, I have not tried the format that you
    mentioned.

    Good luck!

    Doug M. in NJ
     
    Retroman, May 1, 2009
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    TheJudge Guest

    OK, let me say that I too can't see how I can make the search function
    search files in my folders, I just couldn't find zip; well that is b4 I
    discovered I had to checkmark the *hidden* item "also searsch in
    non-indexed ...".

    Now that's typical Microsoft.

    Normally because it uses some resources it is recommended in my many
    forums to switch the auto-indexing off. I did this already a long time
    ago, and am aware I would take the disadvantage of a slow search for
    granted. This simply means after a while you will rarely any files if
    you do a search and if by chance you didn't checkmark the abovementioned
    item.

    But why if you do a search and you haven't checmarked to also search
    for non-indexed items does the normal search in indexed items not
    continue the search in non-indexed items ?
     
    TheJudge, May 2, 2009
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  8. Sults

    TheJudge Guest

    OK, let me say that I too can't see how I can make the search function
    search files in my folders, I just couldn't find zip; well that is b4 I
    discovered I had to checkmark the hidden item "also searsch in
    non-indexed ...".

    Now that's typical Microsoft.

    Normally because it uses some resources it is recommended in my many
    forums to switch the auto-indexing off. I did this already a long time
    ago, and am aware I would take the disadvantage of a slow search for
    granted.

    This simply means after a while you will rarely any files if you do a
    search and if by chance you didn't checkmark the abovementioned item.

    But why if you do a search and you haven't checmarked to also search
    for non-indexed items does the normal search in indexed items not
    continue the search in non-indexed items ?
     
    TheJudge, May 2, 2009
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  9. Sults

    Dave T. Guest

    Your question about the date format is answered in one of the links
    already served to you which you haven't read, namely

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/desktopsearch/technicalresources/advquery.mspx

    Here is what I surmise that MS was thinking when they devised Vista Search;

    In XP, if you enter a search syntax and tell it to search for all
    instances of a query, it would search the entire computer which would
    very often take a very long time. In Vista, they have indexed the
    system, or much of it. You can find out what is indexed, as you have
    already been advised, by looking at Indexing Options in the control
    panel. Anything that is not indexed can be added to the index, but keep
    in mind that if you index the whole computer, then you have created more
    very long searches because the index becomes quite large.

    When I am going to search for a file that I created, such as a picture,
    the quick search without bothering with advanced syntax is to go to the
    Documents folder and use the search box there. The idea is that a search
    box in a folder searches only that folder, and sub-folders, making it
    quite quick. The search box in the start menu searches the indexed
    locations only. As Doug M. said, you can plug advanced syntax in the
    regular search box, if you take the trouble to learn it. I tag most
    documents I create, which makes it really easy to find what I'm looking
    for. Best advice? Take the time to learn Vista search. It really is
    better that XP, IMHO.

    Dave T.
     
    Dave T., May 2, 2009
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  10. Sults

    Sults Guest

    I have switched completely off indexing since the very beginning of using
    Vista.
    I have the "Search the non indexed... , and might be slow" checkbox checked.
    But the search does not find my pictures from users\..\pictures folders.
    Maybe it will find those files if I set searching folder to the
    users\..\pictures, but then, what is the point of searching if I already know
    where my filea are?
    I have found, that the pictures folder is not the only exeption for the
    search. Every now and then I meet the problem, that Vistas Search does not
    find some files that I know for sure are located somewhere in my system.
    Usually I set "Search all local hard drives" on. But this would not help.
     
    Sults, May 2, 2009
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  11. Sults

    Sults Guest

    1. I do not use any indexing.
    2. Those files are not hidden or system. See the screen capture, that is
    made after the search was finished (without success):
    http://www.arbuarkel.ee/~sulev/up/Pildid/Vista search.jpg
    3. I always have "show hidden and system files" checked.
    4. I made some tests yesterday and found, that it does not matter what time
    format I use, Vistas search will not search my files from the pictures folder
    anyway.

    Seems like I have to switch to some third party desktop search.
     
    Sults, May 2, 2009
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  12. Sults

    Dave T. Guest

    Let's try an experiment. Turn indexing back on. Go into control panel
    Indexing options and confirm that "Users" is indexed. Wait for the index
    to rebuild itself and then try your search terms again exactly as you
    have it in the link you sent to us, and let us know what the result was.

    Also, you have specified that search doesn't work in your pictures
    folder. Does it work in other folders?

    One more thing, when you have the search window open, Click tools >
    folder options > search and under the heading "how to search" make sure
    that "include subfolders" is checked.

    Dave T.
     
    Dave T., May 2, 2009
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  13. Sults

    Sults Guest

    I think I finally figured out what was the reason for the trouble: my
    girlfriends camera had wrong date, the year was incorrect (2008). So it was
    normal that Vista search did not found any recent pictures with the name I
    was searching for.

    Thank you all, who were so kind and offered several suggestions!
     
    Sults, May 2, 2009
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    TheJudge Guest

    Thanks, but I have another question: how do I stop the search ?
     
    TheJudge, May 3, 2009
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    Retroman Guest

    Good question. During very long searches, a button with a red X will
    appear just to the left of the search entry window in Win Explorer. Click
    that to halt the search. If the button does not appear, you just have to
    wait, as far as I know.

    I keep thinking that there should be a keyboard shortcut to stop a search
    in progress, but I haven't been able to find it. Perhaps someone else
    here knows the answer.

    Doug M. in NJ
     
    Retroman, May 3, 2009
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  16. Sults

    Dave T. Guest


    The only way I have discovered is if you have the menu bar active during
    the search you can File > Close.

    Dave T.
     
    Dave T., May 3, 2009
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  17. Sults

    Retroman Guest

    Thanks, Dave, I hadn't thought of that! Alt+F then C will do it.

    Regards,

    Doug M. in NJ
     
    Retroman, May 3, 2009
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    pacinitaly Guest

    pacinitaly, May 6, 2009
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    Retroman Guest

    Retroman, May 6, 2009
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  20. Sults

    pacinitaly Guest

    sorry pal,
    this was for anyone that may want to try an alt to the vista search
    engine
     
    pacinitaly, May 6, 2009
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