IE 8 - An Alternate View

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by Leonard Grey, May 3, 2009.

  1. Leonard Grey

    Leonard Grey Guest

    I upgraded my copy of Windows XP SP 3 to IE 8 earlier today, and it was
    a piece of cake. I've been using the new browser for most of the
    afternoon, with no problems at all.

    I spent hours preparing for this upgrade, doing research on the web and
    in the newsgroups. It paid off for me, and it can pay off for anyone.
     
    Leonard Grey, May 3, 2009
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  2. Leonard Grey

    MK Guest

    Leonard, How clever you are! A clean install of XP, apply SP3, install IE 8,
    yes, a fully functional browser!

    Now install the newest version of Microsoft Money Plus for Home and Small
    Business. Now attempt to print an invoice for your client from Money Plus.
    Epic Microsoft Fail.

    Now uninstall IE 8 and run IE 7 or IE 6. Print an invoice from Microsoft
    Money Plus. Joy! You can print again!

    IE 8 is NOT compatible with Microsoft Money Plus if you need to print
    invoices.
     
    MK, May 3, 2009
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  3. Sounds like MS Money Plus (or at least your version of it) is not supported
    in IE8, to me...or all of your IE8 installs were 'horked'.
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], May 3, 2009
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  4. Leonard Grey

    Leonard Grey Guest

    Did I say I performed a clean install? No, I did not.

    Given your attitude, I'm not surprised your computer doesn't work.
     
    Leonard Grey, May 3, 2009
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  5. Leonard Grey

    MK Guest

    No, the IE8 install was perfect. The MS Money install was perfect. The
    problem is that Microsoft has not released a patch to MS Money to fix it's
    invoice printing issue. The MS Money product and development teams have gone
    silent, with no new updates or product path announcements. The Money
    software itself is notifying users that they will be losing product support
    soon, but no official word yet from Microsoft on Money's fate or future.

    I personally have tested clean installation scenarios of Vista Ultimate (32
    bit) with SP1, Microsoft Money Plus for Home and Small Business (v
    17.0.150.1415), IE 8. No other 3rd party software to remove any external
    dependencies, and just running Microsoft products Money has a dependency on
    the version of IE. It will produce invoices with IE 6 or 7, but not with IE 8
    installed. I tried an alternate install based on XP Professional with SP3
    and had the same results. Money can't work properly when IE8 is installed.

    My frustration is that I can't benefit from the superior security model
    available in IE8, because of my dependency on a legacy Microsoft application
    that I purchased less than 2 years ago. My system would be more secure if I
    could remove IE7, but I am forced to compromise my computer's security
    because of my FINANCIAL software, of all things. It just makes the pain worse
    because I chose a Microsoft financial package thinking that they would be
    sure to keep all of their software happy working together. I've been a
    Microsoft developer for the last 14 years, and I normally can figure this
    stuff out. I can't figure out how Money generates the invoices, to see where
    the dll mismatch is occuring. If I could simply reregister or replace the
    missing dll's, I would offer up the solution for everyone to know.

    :

    Sounds like MS Money Plus (or at least your version of it) is not supported
    in IE8, to me...or all of your IE8 installs were 'horked'.
     
    MK, May 3, 2009
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  6. Leonard Grey

    MK Guest

    Hey Leonard,

    My computer works fine. IE8 works great as a browser. Microsoft Money won't
    print invoices if IE8 is installed. MS Money has a dependency on the browser
    software which Microsoft should have accounted for when doing their internal
    regression testing. It is obvious from this result that the MS Money product
    is not being supported by Microsoft and people should be buying Quicken
    instead. I was attempting to support Microsoft in my product selection, but
    now have new information available to me, and have to make a course
    correction.

    You really should try a clean install of Windows sometime, it gets rid of
    the accumulated windows crud that slows down your system over time.
     
    MK, May 4, 2009
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  7. ...The MS Money product and development teams have gone
    I thought that might be the case. Sounds like you'd better revert to IE7 if
    you will continue to be dependent on MS Money Plus, MK.

    QED: Will MS Money Plus work OK in Vista SP2 (which does NOT include IE8)?
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], May 4, 2009
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  8. Leonard Grey

    Leonard Grey Guest

    My system does not have "accumulated windows crud."
     
    Leonard Grey, May 4, 2009
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  9. Leonard Grey

    Leonard Grey Guest

    To be honest, I don't know whether Money is compatible with IE 8. What I
    do know is that one of the standard procedures to perform before
    upgrading an operating system is to check whether the applications you
    rely on most are supported under the upgrade.

    If I was a user of Microsoft Money -- heh, not a chance -- I would have
    checked before I upgraded to IE 8.
     
    Leonard Grey, May 4, 2009
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  10. Leonard Grey

    MK Guest

    In file explorer, go to menu Tools / Folder Options / View tab / in Advanced
    Settings / under Hidden files and folders click on "Show hidden files and
    folders".

    Under that, unclick the "Hide extensions for known file types", and "Hide
    protected operating system files".

    Now in Explorer, view the C:\Windows directory and tell me how many folders
    start with "$Nt". The older your system, the more of this old crud clutters
    your drive.

    In explorer, navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\(your username)\Local
    Settings\Temp and look at the crud here.

    In explorer, navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\(your username)\Temporary
    Internet Files and observe the crud.

    All of these areas accumulate crud over the life of your windows
    installation. Microsoft doesn't "clean" out the crud with any of their
    built-in tools automatically. You manually have to clean your system, but I
    wouldn't recommend deleting anything in any of the directories that I just
    showed you. You would be more likely to do damage than good.

    The above is just a partial list of areas where windows accumulates crud
    over time. All of these areas grow and grow which just makes it more
    difficult for your system to locate the correct files because they are mixed
    in with all of the crud.

    I bet your system does have some crud. And the older your install, the more
    crud there is.
     
    MK, May 4, 2009
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  11. Leonard Grey

    MK Guest

    Microsoft is now pushing IE8 as a "Critical Update", yet has not publicly
    disclosed that MS Money Plus has a problem with IE8. How is one supposed to
    check, when Microsoft pushes an update on your system as a recommended
    security patch? I feel sorry for the Money users that got IE8 forced on them
    and they are just now realizing that they can't print invoices anymore.
    There are a handful of users that have posted about their experiences, and we
    as users figured out that IE8 is the cause of the failure. Now you can google
    it and find out that there is an issue. Microsoft had posted in the KB about
    the issue and it was searchable for several days on Microsoft, but then
    unposted it. Maybe they can't reproduce the problem, or have decided to
    quietly abandon MS Money users and their problems.
     
    MK, May 4, 2009
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  12. Leonard Grey

    Leonard Grey Guest

    $Nt = zero.

    Temp = zero.

    TIF = zero.

    I learned long ago how to maintain my computer. If you think a clean
    install is the best way to remove or manage those files, you've got a
    lot to learn.

    Now some lessons for you:

    I could have dozens of update uninstallers on my hard drive, and
    megabytes of temp files, and it wouldn't slow my computer one bit.

    If you have an excessive amount of TIF, your web browsing may be slowed
    and/or web pages may display incorrectly. A wise move is to reduce the
    amount of disk space alloted to TIF.

    There are no rules here, but if you have a reliable broadband
    connection, anything between 10MB and 25MB will probably be fine. For
    those on dial-up, something around 50MB is probably better. With the
    right amount of disk space allocated to TIF, your browsing is unlikely
    to be slowed. And if web pages ever start to act weird, just press
    Shift+F5 to flush TIF.

    In any case, the idea of doing a clean install of Windows just to clear
    TIF is ridiculous.
     
    Leonard Grey, May 4, 2009
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  13. Leonard Grey

    Leonard Grey Guest

    Internet Explorer 8 is a High Priority update.

    You just don't give up, do you? It's easy to see why you have so much
    trouble with computers.
     
    Leonard Grey, May 4, 2009
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  14. FUD ALERT!

    IE8 Installation: the User is in Control
    http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/05/01/ie8-installation-the-user-is-in-control.aspx

    <QP>
    Starting on or about the third week of April, users still running IE6 or IE7
    on Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows Server 2003, or Windows Server 2008
    will get will get a notification through Automatic Update about IE8. This
    rollout will start with a narrow audience and expand over time to the entire
    user base. On Windows XP and Server 2003, the update will be [a]
    High-Priority [update]. On Windows Vista and Server 2008 it will be [an]
    Important [update].

    IE8 will not automatically install on machines. Users must opt-in to install
    IE8. Users will see a Welcome screen that offers choices: Ask later, install
    now, or don’t install.

    [screenshot: http://ieblog.members.winisp.net/images/wuwelcomevista.png]

    Users who decline the automatic update can still download it from
    http://www.microsoft.com/ie8 or from Windows Update as an optional update...
    </QP>
    Source:
    http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/04/10/prepare-for-automatic-update-distribution-of-ie8.aspx
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], May 4, 2009
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  15. 44, all but 11 of them post-date my install of SP3.
    Not necessarily. See http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], May 4, 2009
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  16. Leonard Grey

    MK Guest

    Okay, so I am leftover from the days when Microsoft called them Critical
    Updates instead of High Priority updates. From Microsoft: even they call
    "High Priority" critical to the security of the system. How is a "normal"
    end user supposed to know the difference? If Microsoft suggests that they
    install IE8 as a "High Priority", and then the user can't print invoices from
    within Microsoft Money Plus, how will the user know that the critical
    security update is what caused their invoice printing problem?

    From Microsoft Knowledge base:

    Q. What's the difference between high-priority, optional, and hardware
    updates?
    A. High-priority updates are critical to the security of your computer—for
    example, fixes that help protect against security threats—or boost its
    reliability. Without these security updates, your computer may be more
    vulnerable to attack from cyber crooks and malicious software.

    Optional updates help keep your computer running smoothly or simply make
    using it more fun with, for example, the latest versions of Windows Media
    Player or Windows MovieMaker. You can get these updates only by clicking the
    Custom button in Microsoft or Windows Update.

    Hardware updates are not critical to your computer's security or performance
    but they can improve how some devices work.



     
    MK, May 4, 2009
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  17. I don't disagree with you. The naming conventions used for updates are
    confusing and inconsistent between OSS.

     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], May 5, 2009
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  18. Leonard Grey

    RC Guest

    Not everyone has hours to spend on doing research for something. I myself
    have a personal life outside of computers. I don't have time to deal with MS
    not ready to be released but release it anyway products. IE7 is working fine
    for me and I don't have hours to do research so I'll stick with it.
     
    RC, May 5, 2009
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  19. Not everyone has hours to spend on doing research for something. I myself
    Sensible.

    Applies to WLM14 as well.
     
    D. Spencer Hines, May 5, 2009
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  20. Leonard Grey

    N. Miller Guest

    If you don't have time for research, you may want to check out WebTV. Not
    much research necessary. However, anything worth doing is worth doing well.
    And computers aren't like toasters, which you can just plug into the wall,
    drop in the bread, and up pops the toast.

    --
    Norman
    ~Shine, bright morning light,
    ~now in the air the spring is coming.
    ~Sweet, blowing wind,
    ~singing down the hills and valleys.
     
    N. Miller, May 5, 2009
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