IE 8 does not work properly...

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by Jeffery B Paarsa, Jun 19, 2009.

  1. Hello,

    Please look at the site: http://www.drrahnemun.com/ first with i.e 7 then
    with ie 8. In i.e. 8 a lot of links are missing on left side of the home
    page also the logo on top of the screen...
     
    Jeffery B Paarsa, Jun 19, 2009
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  2. Gazing into my crystal ball I observed
    There are so many errors on that page it's no surprise that it doesn't
    render correctly.

    392 Errors with No DocType, [http://validator.w3.org/check?
    uri=http://www.drrahnemun.com/]

    119 Errors with HTML 4.01 Doctype Override,
    [http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.drrahnemun.com%
    2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=HTML+4.01
    +Transitional&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.654]

    You have to remember that IE7 was much more error tolerant than it's more
    standards compliant replacement.

    Use a DocType, get a decent editor, and fix all the errors.
     
    Adrienne Boswell, Jun 19, 2009
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  3. The site uses VML to render the Links menu and the Logo image.

    In order to view the site properly you will have to enable "Binary and
    script behaviors" in the Internet Zone.

    Tools||Internet Options||Security(tab)||Internet(zone)||Custom
    Level...||ActiveX controls and plug-ins

    Good luck,

    Donald Anadell

     
    Donald Anadell, Jun 19, 2009
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  4. I did and still did not work.... Is this something that has to be done by
    everyone? In that case it is too bad... This website has been developed
    using Microsoft publisher nothing fancy at all... Just text based and some
    links to navigate to different pages...
     
    Jeffery B Paarsa, Jun 23, 2009
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  5. Jeffery B Paarsa

    Gordon Guest

    Well it works (just) in Firefox but is HORRIBLY ugly.
    I'll re-iterate my statement from another thread about website building -
    WHY are you using Publisher to create a website? Publisher was never
    designed to be a website creation application.....
    There are far better free WYSIWYG website building applications around....
     
    Gordon, Jun 23, 2009
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  6. See the following KB article for known issues with site created with
    Publisher 2003||2007 and IE8 along with how to work around those issues:
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/969705

    Good luck,

    Donald Anadell
     
    Donald Anadell, Jun 23, 2009
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  7. The site doesn't work properly because it is not designed properly.
    http://validator.w3.org finds an astonishing total of 399 errors on this
    page alone.

    All things considered, the page behaves correctly in IE8; other than the
    fact that anything displays at all. The person you need to talk to is the
    author. With 399 errors scattered across 1356 lines of code, I'm glad that's
    not me...!

    Good luck!
     
    Timothy Casey, Jun 24, 2009
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  8. No, don't let ActiveX and "binary behaviours" run on your computer unless
    you trust _both_ the web hosting provider _&_ the author with full access to
    you computer (including the passwords for your bank accounts). Web
    developers _never_ *need* to invoke the same methods as virus loaders,
    meagrely to display content and navigation or perform tasks better executed
    on the server.

    Much active scripting is simply to patch HTML, CSS, and page design errors
    the authors are unable to fix properly, either due to incompetence,
    charlatanism, or lack of currency in the field.

    If you enable ActiveX or binary behaviours, the next drive-by site (more
    than 1 in every 1000) with a new variety of malware will "own" your system -
    if they don't already. For a real (but disabled) example, see:

    http://scripts.web-design-1011.info

    Up to date virus scanners won't protect you either, because the average
    virus scanner is not up to date until at least 48 hours after the fact. I
    have collected over nine hundred viruses that were undetectable by so-called
    "up to date" virus scans in their first couple of days in the wild. It was
    only stringent Windows Internet Security settings that prevented them from
    launching.

    Before running any executable (including ActiveX, .NET components, XAML,
    JavaScript, VBScript, Installers, Screen Savers, Office "Macros" etc.) on
    your system, it is necessary to quarantine the executable so that it remains
    unmodifiable for at least 48-96 hours before you download the next
    anti-virus update and scan the executable; all prior to allowing the
    executable to run, unmodified from the quarantined version, for the first
    time on your system - assuming it passes the scan. This does not in any way
    guarantee the next version, so the process needs to repeat for each version
    until the author has earned your trust.

    Trust has to be earned, and can never be owed.

    Good luck!
     
    Timothy Casey, Jun 24, 2009
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  9. Jeffery B Paarsa

    Gordon Guest

    Probably because it's been constructed using Publisher......WHY people use
    Publisher to construct websites is beyond me....
     
    Gordon, Jun 24, 2009
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  10. The same reasons people buy oregano leaf instead of insisting that they pay
    only for the weight of the oregano flower mass provided:

    1. Ignorance
    2. Apathy

    Both of which have their own causes...
     
    Timothy Casey, Jun 24, 2009
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  11. I can appreciate your security concerns, however "Binary and Script
    behaviors" has always been Enabled by default in the Internet Zone. It is
    only Disabled by default in the Restricted Sites Zone and the Local Machine
    Zone.

    In order for the behavior VML to render in the Browser it must be enabled in
    the Internet Zone.

    Another popular site that does not work properly if you disable "Binary and
    script behaviors" in the Internet Zone is Google Maps:
    http://maps.google.com/

    This board would be flooded with complaints about the Google Maps site not
    working properly if "Binary and script behaviors " were turned off by
    default in the Internet Zone.

    Donald Anadell
     
    Donald Anadell, Jun 24, 2009
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  12. None of them... The website was fully operational under all versions of i.e.
    when I built it before Microsoft comes up with i.e. 8.

    Microsoft never mentioned that you are not supposed to use Publisher for
    building any type of website... whereas simple web template was included in
    the package. Just simple straight forward text base website with a few link
    to point to different pages of the site.

    How often do you buy Refrigerator for your home? every 5-10 years may be
    once but do you buy a truck with it to carry it home? No... specially if you
    have a pickup truck that you can carry it home. Specially if the
    refrigerator vender implies as carry it in straight upward situation you may
    carry it by any means.

    When Microsoft offers a few web template with publisher it is implying that
    you may develop simple website with it not the fancy ones... am I right?

    I wonder now Microsoft will remove those web template from publisher packages…

    Now tell me please what kind of truck will you be recommending that I
    purchase and you know it will work with i.e. 8. I used to have frontpage
    2000 but I did not see frontpage 2007 comes with the Office 2007 package…
    What do you recommend Microsoft and None Microsoft?
     
    Jeffery B Paarsa, Jun 24, 2009
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  13. and more importantly why publisher allows to be published with 399 errors on
    it? It surely shows some kind of failure by Microsoft develping team.... I
    had no idea abut this http://validator.w3.org/ until now.
     
    Jeffery B Paarsa, Jun 24, 2009
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  14. Jeffery B Paarsa, Jun 24, 2009
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  15. My friend I hope you did not take it personal... As I did not...
     
    Jeffery B Paarsa, Jun 24, 2009
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  16. Now I am just confused with too many suggestions... One would say not to use
    publisher one would say problem with Publisher and Microsoft is comming with
    new patches for Publisher....

    What package you would suggest that you know it will work with all kinds of
    browsers for building a simple none fancy website? Microsoft and None
    Microsoft?
     
    Jeffery B Paarsa, Jun 24, 2009
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  17. Jeffery B Paarsa

    Gordon Guest

    http://kompozer.net/
     
    Gordon, Jun 24, 2009
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  18. Jeffery B Paarsa

    Gordon Guest

    But they also don't say you SHOULD either.
     
    Gordon, Jun 24, 2009
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  19. Not for the sake argument...
    To me when they include the Web Template inside the package they implay you
    COULD although as you said they don't say you SHOULD. The name of the
    package also implays that you can PUBLISH, where? not necessarly paper and
    Ironically most of the web developing application uses command Publish to
    transfer the developed site to the web server.

    Any way I thank you for your time and effort and appriciate your input....

    Regards
     
    Jeffery B Paarsa, Jun 24, 2009
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  20. [SNIP]
    Right you are - the lessons here speak to the two causes I mentioned
    previously:

    1. Never trust a corporation; they are interested in only one thing
    2. Always verify vendor claims; they are prone to omit crucial facts
     
    Timothy Casey, Jun 25, 2009
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