IE 8 does not work properly...

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by Jeffery B Paarsa, Jun 19, 2009.

  1. [SNIP]

    I've always turned them off. If I use Google Maps, I put the site in the
    trusted zone - I don't unlock the door for everyone-else. I made a point of
    learning about browser security before ever going online. This is very
    simple if you think about it, and the security settings are childishly
    simple to find - I don't understand how people miss this stuff. Windows
    Internet Security Settings and the attached Security Zone are like the
    steering wheel in an automobile.
     
    Timothy Casey, Jun 25, 2009
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  2. That's not your fault. I went through the same melodrama myself. Why? Good
    question! Perhaps it is because nobody tests aptitude and key competencies
    prior to hiring.
     
    Timothy Casey, Jun 25, 2009
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  3. First, the quickest likely fix for your site, something I am using as well:
    <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7">

    Put that line somewhere between the <head></head> tags on each of your pages
    to get the site displaying the way it did in IE7 (In theory - and I'd love
    to know how well it works)

    eg:
    <head>
    <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7">
    <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
    <link rel=File-List href="index_files/filelist.xml">

    I'd suggest this is a temporary fix. Be prepared to upgrade your site at
    some point in the near future.

    After my experiences with Office, Dreamweaver, FrontPage, Open Office,
    ExpressionWeb, Visual Web Developer, etc., I prefer to use NotePad. At least
    then the errors are my own and I can be sure of when and where to look for
    them. I haven't found a HTML generator yet that doesn't introduce some
    errors into the mark-up or have a serious lack of features or both. I've
    been developing an error free HTML editor with a halfway decent UI for the
    past five years:

    http://fieldcraft.net

    It is not easy when you don't build the control display from scratch in
    assembler and none of the available controls are complete or compliant. So,
    I'd suggest that the delivery date is perhaps a little optimistic.

    Gordon's already posted this, but it does sound like a good start (and I
    haven't had a chance to find fault with it yet)

    http://kompozer.net

    You may need to copy the plain text of the site (copy from the page, paste
    to notepad, copy from notepad, paste to Kompozer) and restyle your text
    using Kompozer. It appears to use an external style sheet, and this is
    always a good thing.

    I know this will sound like a real pain in the carpal tunnels, but write a
    few web pages in a text editor like notepad, and you will find yourself
    picking up the code in no time. All the information you require is at:

    http://www.w3.org/html/

    and

    http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/

    You can upload your pages with Windows Explorer. While connected, just type
    the web address replacing the "http://" with "ftp://" and enter your
    account+password when prompted. From there, it's all drag and drop.

    For a good primer on HTML/CSS/XHTML I'd recommend:

    Freeman, E., & Freeman, E., 2006, "Head First HTML with CSS and XHTML",
    O'Reilly, Sebastopol CA, ISBN:0-596-10197-X

    Good Luck!
     
    Timothy Casey, Jun 25, 2009
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  4. Some of us may not be so kind!

    The generator (unlisted) is not publisher, but Visual Web Developer 2008
    (the ALT tags set to zero-length strings to dodge accessibility requirements
    without flagging an error are a dead giveaway - and I think they are still
    non-compliant even if they do trick the validator)

    Visual Web Developer Express 2008 is currently a freebie from Microsoft, and
    usually offers much better quality HTML output to simpler pages. However,
    let a few RTF biased programmers tinker with HTML and in no time, you'll
    have external CSS replaced by thousands of identical inline style
    attributes.

    But for the pick of Microsoft's HTML - and I quote:

    <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7">

    This means that IE8 doesn't support this page either! The above HTML element
    is an instruction for IE8 to emulate IE7 when viewing the page. Maybe this
    could be a quick short term fix for your site, while you decide on which
    HTML tools are best for you.
     
    Timothy Casey, Jun 25, 2009
    #24
  5. <plonk>

     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Jun 25, 2009
    #25
  6. I didn't take it personal, and I'm glad you didn't either.
    Life between technical hiccups is way too short.
     
    Timothy Casey, Jun 25, 2009
    #26
  7. Well, your due diligence to security is commendable. However, I find that
    in the real world if everything about computing were "childishly simple"
    there would be no need for this newsgroup or many others like it;)

    If we stick to the OP's concerns about the site(http://www.drrahnemun.com/)
    in question, they are two fold.

    1. The site contains VML, and Default Behaviors such as VML, ANIM, DA,
    TIME, and TIME2 will not be rendered in the IE Browser unless "Binary and
    script behaviors" is enabled in the Internet Zone.

    2. Even if the OP has not changed his default security settings in the
    Internet Zone(with regard to Default Behaviors), IE8 has introduced another
    issue with code(Grouped Objects) that is||was generated by Publisher
    2003-2007, those issues are explained(and a workaround offered) at the
    following Microsoft site:
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/969705

    So if the OP is the not the administrator of the site in question there is
    little he||she can to about the rendering problem at that site, other than
    contacting the site Administrator about the issue.

    If the OP is the site Administrator, he||she needs to:
    1. Ungroup the Objects in the current code so that they will render in IE8,
    "or"
    2. Republish the Web site by using Publisher 2007 Service Pack 2.

    I am not here to join in on a Security Debate, nor a debate about which HMTL
    editor(s) to use. Given a Default installation of IE8 and use of Publisher
    as the tool that was used to generate the code at the site in question, I've
    simply offered the OP a possible resolution to the rendering issues at the
    site.

    Donald Anadell
     
    Donald Anadell, Jun 25, 2009
    #27
  8. Like you I have compiled my website using publisher 2003, in terms of a
    wysiwyg tool, publisher at the time ticked all the boxes for a newbie like me.

    Check it out here; www.chequerscricketclub.html

    It has over 80 pages and works just fine in IE7,
    But now, like you, I have problems displaying certain parts of the page, e.g
    the navigation menu when displayed in IE8...

    Anyway I've not tried it yet, but this maybe of use:
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/969705

    I guess like the statement that has been made elsewhere in this thread. You
    can't trust everything the vendor says... after all how much is Publisher
    2007 gonnna cost me?

    Or do I bite the bullet now and recreate the webpages using notepad and
    learning html, JS, and CSS... that should keep me busy for a few weekends
    ;-(
     
    canewdoncomet, Jun 25, 2009
    #28
  9. [SNIP]
    You have a point. If I remember rightly, classic UI texts such as Bailey (R.
    W., 1982, "Huamn Performance engineering: a guide for system designers",
    ISBN: 0-13-445320-4) point out that important features should not be buried
    more than three tiers deep in the application UI...
    [SNIP]

    Do you think that Visual Web Developer Express 2008 might be a possible
    alternative?
    Can a VML site be imported into VWDx2008 for conversion and republishing in
    HTML/CSS?

    http://www.microsoft.com/express/vwd/

    I imagine VWDx2008 would be slightly cheaper than Publisher 2007, and if it
    can do the conversion to HTML, this will make the site both more manageable
    for the OP and much more accessible for visitors - and save a lot of
    screwing around in Notepad. Also, VWDx2008 has a CSS window and something
    like that could be used to get the pages such as the home page down from
    72kb of asci down to a little less than 3kb of asci.
     
    Timothy Casey, Jun 26, 2009
    #29
  10. I don't know if VWDx2008 is capable of converting the VML to HTML or not, I
    don't have any experience with that software program.

    I would think the simplest(and least expensive way) to remedy the immediate
    problem with rendering the VML in IE8 on that site is to use his existing
    software. Importing the current code back into Publisher and Un-Grouping
    the Objects then republishing the code seems a reasonable enough workaround
    for the issue to me:)

    Again, discussing the pros and cons of HTML editors is not germane to this
    newsgroup. There are more appropriate venues for that purpose.

    Donald Anadell
     
    Donald Anadell, Jun 26, 2009
    #30
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