IE font size affects other programs

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by Jo-Anne, Feb 24, 2012.

  1. Jo-Anne

    Jo-Anne Guest

    I use WinXP and IE8 (formerly IE7) on my 3.5 year old Dell laptop. I need
    large fonts and set up the computer to display them. I also set up the
    Accessibility option in IE to ignore font sizes on webpages, and I generally
    use the Medium font with 150% zoom.

    For all the time I've had this computer, the System Restore screen would not
    show the whole screen at once. I'd have to use the slide bar to get to the
    bottom to click on Next and Close. Changing the screen resolution didn't
    help. Also, when I'd try to update CCleaner, I couldn't see the box for
    unchecking the Google Toolbar, and there was no slide bar. The only way I
    could update this program without getting that toolbar was to go to the
    Piriform website and download the Slim version of the updater.

    Today, by accident, I discovered a fix for both programs.

    Sometimes I set the IE font to Smallest because a particular webpage doesn't
    display everything when I use the Medium font. I did that last night and
    forgot to change it back. I exited IE and closed down the computer. Today,
    when I turned it back on, I needed to create a System Restore point. The
    screen was all there; no slidebar and no need for one. I then downloaded the
    latest version of the CCleaner installer, and the box to uncheck the Google
    Toolbar was there.

    To make sure the font was indeed the issue, I changed it back to Medium in
    IE, exited IE, and opened System Restore. I was back to having only a
    partial screen and a slide bar.

    Any idea why the IE font size should affect other programs?

    Thank you!

    Jo-Anne, Feb 24, 2012
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    Paul Guest

    Some of the dialogs you see in Windows, are implemented by an
    HTML engine. And as a result, can inherit things from the
    browser side of the universe. As an example, using a search
    engine, look for references to iehtml.dll .

    "Removing IE may also break local applications that rely on
    the IEHTML.DLL file for rendering. Removing IE will also break
    any Windows Help files that use "HTML Help" (CHM).

    Paul, Feb 24, 2012
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    Jo-Anne Guest

    Thank you, Paul! I knew that Outlook Express's printing size was tied to
    Internet Explorer, but I had no idea other programs were affected by IE. I
    wonder what would happen if I switched to Firefox...

    Jo-Anne, Feb 25, 2012
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    Paul Guest

    Internet Explorer would consist of things that would be safe to remove,
    and things that would break other pieces of software if they were removed.
    IEHTML.dll is an example of something that should stick around.

    If you use Firefox, that isn't going to change the fact that dialogs or
    CHM help files are still going to want to use IEHTML.dll. And inherit
    some of the settings used at some point, by IE.

    I'm not a big fan of this style of design, and what you're seeing,
    is exactly the reason why. Users wasting their time, trying to figure
    out a "cause and effect" for behaviors on their computer.

    Paul, Feb 25, 2012
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    Jo-Anne Guest

    Thank you again, Paul! I kinda thought it wouldn't matter if I switched
    browsers. I gather that Internet Explorer is always there, no matter what
    you do.

    Jo-Anne, Feb 25, 2012
  6. In Windows 9x, it was possible to remove IE and still access CHM help
    files: I think you had to keep two files. IEradicator (from the 98lite
    people), IIRR, had the option to retain CHM file compatibility. I don't
    know how this translates to XP.Indeed; I think my main objection to IE _is_ the extent of its
    integration into the OS. As a browser, it (the later versions anyway) is
    on a par with the alternatives.
    Yes, it is rather tangles up with the OS. (I don't know if there's a
    similar tool to IEradicator for XP.) But you don't have to _use_ it.
    IMO, Firefox - despite recent changes in their philosophy, about which
    others are concerned - is still pretty usable (especially with a good
    selection of third-party plugins - but even without: they mostly do
    things like block ad.s and give you better control of flash); the main
    advantage (to me), which of course applies to any of the others too, is
    that if you make changes in it, they won't pop up unexpectedly
    elsewhere. [Of course, people's MMV: some people perhaps _want_ such
    changes to be universal, i. e. not have to make them in more than one

    Another compromise - which has its advantages - is to have and use both;
    there are a _few_ websites that only work, or only work _properly_, in
    IE. (I presume there are some that _won't_ work in IE too; since I
    mainly use Firefox [and occasionally StreamTrans], I don't know about
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    J. P. Gilliver (John), Feb 25, 2012
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    dadiOH Guest

    Yeah. Along with death and taxes.



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    Jo-Anne Guest

    Thank you, John! I've been meaning to try Firefox for a while. I'll do that
    now. As you suggested, though, I'll probably have to leave IE with settings
    that will work best for my other programs.

    Does anyone know whether Firefox allows the same sort of override of webpage
    fonts that IE does? I wouldn't be able to read some webpages if I couldn't
    enlarge the fonts.

    Jo-Anne, Feb 25, 2012

  9. Can I add another browser for you to try? I think Maxthon is
    considerably better than either IE or Firefox. And it's also free. You
    can download it at

    And yes, it lets you easily change the font size.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
    Ken Blake, MVP, Feb 25, 2012
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    Paul Guest

    Try holding down the control key, then twirl your scroll wheel, and
    you can zoom in and out. On some platforms, the response to this
    input is sluggish, so you have to wait. On Windows it works well.

    Magnification setting is memorized on a per-website basis.

    There would also be a font setting in the Preferences somewhere, but
    I expect a web site can override your choice if they want. A browser
    font setting would apply, if the web site allows the "default" font
    choice to work. So if I were to write my own HTML code and run my
    own web server, chances are, the default font would be the one used.
    But for any sophisticated sites, try the control-scrollwheel instead.
    It's faster, if it works. (Again, it's possible for sites to
    fiddle with your magnify capability - some sites even "reset" the
    magnify setting, the next time you visit, which is annoying to say
    the least. That doesn't seem to happen consistently, either.)

    "You're in control... unless you're not in control." That's the web for you.

    Paul, Feb 25, 2012
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    Jo-Anne Guest

    Thank you, Ken! I'll try it.

    Jo-Anne, Feb 25, 2012
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    Jo-Anne Guest

    Thank you, Paul! Font sizing works well in Internet Explorer except for a
    few websites. To be able to change font size easily, I used Tools | Internet
    Options | Accessibility [under Appearance] | Ignore font sizes specified on
    webpages. I'm hoping other browsers do similar things. I use zoom too when
    needed, but just having a larger font size helps me a lot.

    Jo-Anne, Feb 25, 2012

  13. Windows is an Internet Explorer experience. You can use a different browser
    if you want -- FireFox for example -- but Windows is still driven by
    Internet Explorer. This is why settings of Internet Explorer migrate into
    your Windows experience.

    If you are using the horizontal scroll bar to get to stuff on the right hand
    side of the page, then you have 1.) set the sceen resolution too low (images
    are very large and do not fit the space on the screen) or 2.) you have set
    your window to Normal, and then you make the window larger than the screen.
    You fix 2.) by selecting Maximize and then setting the Zoom to 100%.
    Jeff Strickland, Feb 25, 2012
  14. Ctrl-+ and ctrl-- will also zoom, and you can choose (it's under the
    View menu) whether it's only the text that zooms.

    There's also a way of making both use the same set of favourites (it's
    probably a plugin - I'll have to ask my blind friend how she does it).
    I didn't know that - handy to know.
    (In Firefox) Tools, Options, Content - you can set your choice of font
    size and colour there, and under Advanced, you can untick Allow pages to
    choose their own fonts.
    J. P. Gilliver (John), Feb 25, 2012
  15. In message <jibq2a$o4v$>, Jeff Strickland
    Yes, that's why lots of us avoid using it (-:
    Some people _need_ to set the screen resolution what you call "too low".
    J. P. Gilliver (John), Feb 25, 2012
  16. Jo-Anne

    Jo-Anne Guest

    Thank you, John! I'll check out both Firefox and Maxthon.

    Jo-Anne, Feb 25, 2012
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    Jo-Anne Guest

    Thank you, Jeff! No, it's the vertical scrollbar that I have to use in
    System Restore if I have my font size set at medium in IE8. And in the
    CCleaner setup program, there's no scrollbar, and I can't bring the checkbox
    into view at all (for unchecking the Google toolbar) unless I reduce the
    font size in IE.

    Jo-Anne, Feb 25, 2012

  18. You're welcome. I have just one other thing to add. Be sure to give it
    (or anything else you try) enough time when trying it to become
    comfortable with it and learn how much you like or dislike the way it

    And after you've tried it adequately, please let us know what you
    think of it.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
    Ken Blake, MVP, Feb 26, 2012

  19. Yes, and let me add that that's a Windows standard, and works in many
    applications, not just browsers.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
    Ken Blake, MVP, Feb 26, 2012
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    Jo-Anne Guest

    Will do!

    Jo-Anne, Feb 26, 2012
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