IE7 - Vista - UAC - Java Snot

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by timb, Aug 28, 2008.

  1. timb

    timb Guest

    OK Now Folks... this is the most peculiar situation I've encountered to date
    with Visa/IE... Here's what I've done and here's what's going on... I'm
    trying to access NOAA radars with IE7. NOAA radars are Java applets...

    An example can be found here:

    I updated Java to 1.6U7 and applets have subsequently failed... so I...

    Uninstalled all versions of Java
    Deleted the Java folder under Program Files
    Reset ALL of IE7 to defaults... inlcuding the master reset to defaults (made
    sure activex controls, jre, etc. we're reenabled)
    Downloaded and installed JRE 1.6U7 using the manual java installer (with AV
    disabled and run as administrator)


    Java applets (including NOAA radars) work fine in FireFox for ALL USERS
    Java applets (including NOAA radars) work fine in IE7 in ANOTHER USER (not
    admin) on this same computer
    Java applets (including NOAA radars) DO NOT WORK in IE7 for MY (admin) user
    on this computer

    CONCLUSION... there is something "user specific" in either IE or VISTA or
    JAVA that's blocking this funtionality... If I only knew what !!!!!

    If I turn of User Account Control (UAC)... the problem
    goes away... Where's the bug ?? Security Policy perhaps ? I'm running
    32-bit Ultimate SP1
    timb, Aug 28, 2008
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  2. Works fine on my Vista machine.
    David Sherman, Aug 29, 2008
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  3. timb

    Spirit Guest

    IE - Tools - Manage Add-on - Enable those that say Java
    Spirit, Aug 29, 2008
  4. timb

    timb Guest

    Done all that... something's wrong in UAC !

    IE - Tools - Manage Add-on - Enable those that say Java
    timb, Aug 30, 2008
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    Diblo Guest

    Stupid questio
    Have you try to install the java from the user account (not admin

    The install from other programs have still some problem whit the ne
    UAC and user account system

    But sry for asking if you have try
    Diblo, Aug 31, 2008
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    timb Guest

    No, never tried it... I didn't think you could install plug-ins or programs
    from a user account... well... you can, but what happens is that UAC will
    ask for the administrators permission... interesting concept... for now on
    my machine... UAC is toast !
    timb, Sep 2, 2008
  7. timb

    davidbaldwin Guest

    I have searched far and wide for a problem similar to mine and this i
    exactly it. Same in every way. We are now at IE7 and Java JRE 6 Updat
    11. If UAC is off, both (admin) user accounts on my machine have simila
    java add-ons and both display java applets correctly. However if UAC i
    on, the "add-ons" in my IE7 change (less sun java add-ons, i.e.
    instead of 5) and even the .dll files associated with those add-ons ar
    different! How is it that UAC on or off can manipulate what add-ons an
    what .dll s are in effect? True, if UAC is on, I'm getting prompted i
    both accounts because Java SE Runtime 6 updt 11 needs my permission t
    continue when opening IE. THis also seems new. I don't know why this ha
    just started for me. The only thing I did last was load up Blackberr
    software. Also, some updates may have been applied automatically. I wa
    flashed recently with a lot of UAC "permission to continue" prompts
    regarding java and Google Toolbar. Someone suggested Norton Pop-U
    Blocker was at fault, but even though I have Norton 360 it doesn't hav
    a pop-up blocker. I'm stumped, but if I leave UAC off, it's fine. I'
    not sure that's the perfect solution. Obviously something is screwed up
    I had a previous issue as well where my IE behaved differently that th
    other user account IE, so it's obvious that they have user-specifi
    behaviour, but that just sorted itself out over time, almost b
    accident. Perhaps there's some update coming to fix this as well. Seem
    pretty rare though
    davidbaldwin, Jan 5, 2009
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    Mark H Guest

    Mark H, Jan 5, 2009
  9. timb

    wb Guest

    that clarifies it to some degree, yet not sure how one can get really
    granular in allowing certain java apps to run without having to fully turn
    off UAC.

    after an auto update of java my users cannot run a certain java app now
    without turning off UAC for the user. i can see the java app in the terminal
    debug window and the problem being perm/access.

    so how does one in Vista allow certain apps under this security policy
    without turning off UAC for the user?
    wb, Jan 6, 2009
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    j23 Guest

    I've made some more research and

    After reinstalling (removing and installing again) Java works until
    receive a pop-up from UAC saying

    A program needs your permission to continu
    Java Runtime Environment 6 update 11 Sun Microsystems, Inc
    „C:\Program Files\Java\\jre6\bin\ssvagent.exe” –old –hig

    If I choose “continue” Java gets blocked (to unblock must b
    If I choose “cancel” Java works fine

    Getting this pop-up is quite annoying, but if Java™ Plug-in SSV Helpe
    is turned off in add-ons menu in IE the pop-up is gone
    j23, Jan 31, 2009
  11. timb

    davidbaldwin Guest


    Thanks for that research. Yes, exactly. I get the same thing. I wis
    some brain from or could figure this one out.
    It's obviously an issue if affecting a number of us ... glad to kno
    it's not just my machine. Good work
    davidbaldwin, Feb 1, 2009
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    malangali Guest

    another user reporting in with the same problem. also with Firefox. my
    Java RTE is build 6.13.

    this started last week. I had been away for a while, and both vista
    and java updated when I started up my computer when I got back. so I
    don't know if the fault is in the new vista update or the new java
    update, but it is certainly somewhere in the mix.
    malangali, Apr 22, 2009
  13. And that would be... ?
    Steve McGarrett, Apr 22, 2009
  14. timb

    davidbaldwin Guest

    It seems I am finally beyond this problem.
    I have a completely patched Vista system running IE 7.0.6001.180000
    I recently did the Java update for version 6 update 13 (1.6.0_13-b03)
    - ensured using administrator user account
    - downloaded jre-6u13-windows-i586-p.exe from sun java website
    - uninstalled java from the machine
    - had UAC set to "off" before and during uninstall/reinstall
    - ran jre-6u13-windows-i586-p.exe "as administrator"
    - rebooted
    - ran IE "as administrator" on both user accounts...used java
    - ran IE "normally" on both user accounts...used java applet...OK
    - control panel/ user accounts/ UAC "on" ... reboot
    - ran IE "as administrator" on both user accounts...used java applet...
    (UAC brings up Internet Explorer dialog box: ""A website wants to open
    web content using this program on your computer" which goes on to say
    "The program will open outside of protected mode. Internet Explorer's
    Protected Mode helps protect your computer. If you do not trust this
    website, do not open this program."

    The program was related to java. I allowed it and checked the box to
    not bug me about this program again. This is normal UAC behavior.
    After that, all OK. No more probs with Vista, Java and java applets.
    I don't know if getting beyond this was related to the procedure, or to
    the latest Vista and Java patches. Regardless, the problem is now
    fixed, and I'm glad.
    DB :party:
    davidbaldwin, Apr 22, 2009
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