Install IE7 and then SP3, or SP3 and then IE7?

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by Bill in Co., May 17, 2009.

  1. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Guest

    Which approach is better?

    From all I've read, it seems the most ideal (most up-to-date system
    approach) is to install IE7 first, followed by SP3; (however, in doing so,
    you can never roll back to IE6 again, if you ever chose to do so).

    OTOH, if you install IE7 last, you do (allegedly) have that IE6 rollback
    capability; but as I understand it, your system is nowhere near as up to
    date (and never could be as cleanly updated) as if you had installed SP3
    last (since the SP3 Service Pack is considerably newer than IE7).
     
    Bill in Co., May 17, 2009
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  2. Your second paragraph is based on a misunderstanding. Installing IE 7 after
    SP3 will not undo any updates that SP3 includes. If the install of IE 7
    includes an earlier version of a system file than the one in SP3 it will not
    replace it. As far as your system being updated is concerned, the install
    order makes no difference. So i order to retain the ability to roll back to
    IE 6 should the need arise, do as the others recommend: install SP3 first.
     
    Jean Rosenfeld, May 18, 2009
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  3. PA Bear [MS MVP], May 18, 2009
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  4. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Guest

    Sorry about the multiposts - that was my screwup.

    Well, I actually tried it both ways, and saved images of each for
    comparison.
    Here is what happened as I rccall:

    When I installed IE7 last, there was a warning note suggesting updates may
    be needed, but there was NO such warning note when installing SP3 last
    (presumably because SP3 is so much newer, and updates almost everything).

    Also, as I recall, when I installed IE7 last, some (mostly DLL) files were
    not as updated as they were when SP3 was installed last. (I think some of
    the IE7 related DLLs were left alone, as I recall).

    I recall counting the updated DLLs (dated 2008) in the system32 and dllcache
    folders, and there were considerably more such updated files when SP3 was
    installed last, than when IE7 was installed last.
     
    Bill in Co., May 18, 2009
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  5. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Guest

    Yes, that was my screw-up. I'm sorry for that!! (what actually happened
    was that I had a news filter rule that ended up filtering out my own post,
    so duh to me)

    BTW, I had read those articles before, but you can see my followup to Jerry.
     
    Bill in Co., May 18, 2009
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  6. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Guest

    Addended and further clarified below:
    The short summary is this:

    If you install IE7 first, and then install SP3, all system and IE related
    files (including those relating to IE7) will all get updated.

    OTOH, if you install SP3 first, followed by IE7, there will be a LOT of
    system files relating to IE7 that will not be updated, since when SP3 was
    installed, IE7 wasn't even on the system (only IE6 was, and those IE6 files
    will be updated).
     
    Bill in Co., May 18, 2009
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  7. Assuming the WinXP SP2 machine is fully patched and you install SP3, you
    *may* need to install one or two IE updates afterwards. If you then install
    IE7, you *will* need to install at least one (1) IE update afterwards...but
    you will be able to uninstall IE7 (should the need arise) without having to
    first uninstall SP3.

    Assuming the WinXP SP2 machine is fully patched and you install IE7, you
    *will* need to install at least one (1) IE update afterwards. If you then
    install SP3, you *may* need to install one or two IE updates
    afterwards...but you will NOT be able to uninstall IE7 (should the need
    arise) without having first uninstalled SP3.

    Tip: (1) See http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm then (2)
    install SP3 & reboot, then (3) install IE7 & reboot, and finally (4) check
    in at Windows Update & install any critical updates offered.

    See previous reply for WinXP SP3-specific tips. For installing IE7...

    Required reading IMHO before installing IE7:

    Sandi's Installation Tips <= Steps #1-8, #10 & #11; take note of #12, then
    STOP!
    http://www.ie-vista.com/known_issues.html#pre-install
    (ignore any references to Vista)

    Direct Download link for IE7/WinXP SP2 or SP3:
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=9ae91ebe-3385-447c-8a30-081805b2f90b

    Tip: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.

    Make *certain* that you check in at Windows Update immediately after
    installing IE7 and install any critical updates offered. If Optional
    Updates category offers Root Certificates update, I recommend installing it
    to take full advantage of IE7's additional security.

    About IE7 (and IE8) Installation and Anti-Malware Applications
    http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/10/11/IE7-Installation-and-Anti_2D00_Malware-Applications.aspx
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], May 18, 2009
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  8. You will need to install many updates afterwards, not matter which order you
    install IE7 and SP3. Just do it.
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], May 18, 2009
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  9. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Guest

    (*big assumption there - more below*)
    I already know about the caveat of what happens if you install SP3 last; it
    "bakes in" the version of IE. (this is not *necessarily* an earth breaking
    deal for me, since I have an image backup with IE6. (I am currently using
    IE6, and actually still prefer IE6 over IE7 for a few various reasons).

    But: in my case the assumptions you stated above weren't valid (about having
    all the MS weekly updates). (keep in mind I'm also on dialup)

    So from my point of view, you can see that installing SP3 last is better for
    me (in terms of ALL the extra updated files when done that way), since I'm
    on dialup, and am not (or have not) installing all the MS weekly updates
    that come out. (I got SP3 on a CD from MS, and downloaded the latest
    version of IE7, but that took quite awhile, obviously).

    But thanks for the links below, PA. I didn't have any difficulty
    installing IE7 and SP3 (in either direction), so I'm pretty much home safe,
    and I am keeping those image backups for the day if and when I decide I need
    to go to IE7. But right now, IE6 still works better for me (for one thing,
    only IE6 is compatible with CacheSentry or CacheSentryPro, which are very
    useful for me on dialup).
     
    Bill in Co., May 18, 2009
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  10. Two additional comments/caveats:

    1. IE6's security pales in comparison to IE7's.

    2. If WinXP SP3 is not installed by July 2010, your computer will not be
    offered any further critical security updates. If SP3 is installed, such
    updates will be offered through October 2014.
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], May 18, 2009
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  11. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Guest

    OK, and thanks for all the comments, PA.
     
    Bill in Co., May 18, 2009
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