Intel Core Duo – Intel Dual Core ?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Kode, Jul 18, 2006.

  1. Kode

    Kode Guest

    Well Gentlemen,

    I am Sorry to say this again. I AM IN CONFUSED STATE ONCE AGAIN.

    I want to know is INTEL CORE DUO similar to INTEL DUAL CORE?

    YES/NO

    Thank you,
    Kode.
     
    Kode, Jul 19, 2006
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    R. McCarty Guest

    Core Duo is the 1st generation of Intel's dual-processor on a single die.
    Core 2 Duo is the 2nd generation, that uses "Centrino (Mobile)" design
    for both Desktop and Notebook PCs. The current iteration of Dual core
    for desktops (900,800 Family) is an adoption of traditional P4 technology
    that has high power consumption of up to 135 Watts.
    It is confusing and the Chip ID (T2300 for notebooks) can help sort it
    out. The new Core 2 Duo desktop chips will be coded E6600, et...
    The following web site may help sort it out for you:
    http://www.intel.com/products/processor/index.htm


     
    R. McCarty, Jul 19, 2006
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  3. "is INTEL CORE DUO similar to INTEL DUAL CORE?"

    Only in the number of cores on the die. "Core Duo" is not just another name
    for "Intel dual core." The Core Duo line of dual core processors is not the
    same as the Pentium D line of dual core processors.

    "Core" technology is the key buzzword here. It means a specific technology
    that is used a line of processors called "Core." "Core" technology has
    replaced the "Pentium" technology we have all lived with for more than a
    decade.

    "Core" technology is used in the Core Duo (dual cores) and Core Solo (single
    core) "Core" processors. "Core" technology is also used in the new "Core 2"
    line of processors. "Core 2" is the second generation of processors using
    the new "Core" technology.

     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 19, 2006
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  4. Kode

    Raven Mill Guest

    Okay...I'll make it easy for you. YES. The Core Duo is the MOBILE version
    of the Dual Core CPUs.

    The Core Solo is the SINGLE core mobile processor, the Core DUO is the DUAL
    core mobile processor. They are, as of current info, planning on moving
    these CPUs to be desktop processors also, but at present, they are made for
    laptops.

    Better?
     
    Raven Mill, Jul 20, 2006
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  5. Kode

    Kode Guest

    Thanks Raven.

    That was simple & clear.

    Thanks all.
    Kode.
     
    Kode, Jul 20, 2006
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  6. Kode

    mmmmark Guest

    Actually, the Core Duos have been used for quite some time in Apple's iMac
    line (in addition to their MacBook and MacBook Pro).

    These machines make screaming fast windows machines, BTW, either through
    dual boot or running Parallels (for non-games).

    -Mark
     
    mmmmark, Jul 20, 2006
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  7. I can confirm that. I am running Vista builds 5384, 5456, and 5472 on
    Virtual Server 2005 R2 on XP Pro SP2 dual booted with OS/X (MacBook Pro, 2.0
    GHz, 100GB hd, 2GB ram). The Mac drivers for XP are still very much beta
    and some things are a little glitchy as a result. I have added a 500GB
    eternal SATA drive (via an ExpressCard/34 SATA card) for my virtual machines
    and they outrun anything but the native Vista installations on my AMD64 dual
    core box. Apple wrote everything to make that happen, so don't think for a
    minute that Apple's statement earlier this year that they were merely not
    interfering with dual-booting Windows was valid. Apple intends for their
    Intel notebooks to be Windows machines for business users if that's what
    they want. I don't see them becoming a Windows OEM company anytime soon,
    but they easily could beginning when Leopard ships.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 20, 2006
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  8. I've not found anything wrong with the Apple-produced Windows drivers
    yet. They seem to keep my machine running great, and working even
    better than my old Winboxes used to.

    Maybe Apple will decide that releasing Boot Camp Beta was not such a
    good idea, after all, considering that they believe their OS is the
    "best" for EVERYONE, and they do want to keep selling their own OS,
    and contrary to the Old Guard's hemming and hawing, they WOULD like
    to see MORE copies sold. If that is the case, we won't see a version
    of OS X which will run XP or Vista as easily as it does now once
    Leopard is released.

    But hopefully, the Apple "Old Guard" won't be the driving force at
    Apple anymore.

    Let's face it: An Intel Mac with Boot Camp Software makes the BEST
    Windows machine around. Bad news for OS X, but good news for
    Microsoft. It will be even better once Vista starts supporting EFI
    partitions rather than BIOS chips.

    I call my Intel iMac 17" the BEST "Winbox" I've ever used (and I
    really believe it is). Especially in comp.sys.mac.advocacy, where
    they just HATE reading it. I just love to watch those sycophants
    squirm when I tell them OS X is great for security, but a "dog" on the
    Desktop.

    By the way, Apple's officially announced intention is to NEVER support
    Windows. But Maccies have always been full of hypocrisy, if their
    Usenet posts are any indication. They'll take our money right quick,
    and make it easy for us to boot into Windows on their great machines,
    and then call us "mindless Windroids" in their newsgroups. If it
    makes them feel better, then let them. They probably already feel
    betrayed by Apple's move to the Intel platform, anyway. I guess they
    could use a few chuckles and guffaws. And we get a great machine in
    the bargain, with the ability to dual-boot with XP or Vista, and OS X.

    Personally, I don't particularly care for Parallels Workstation for OS
    X. It still needs a lot of work. The ONLY virtual processor it will
    currently support right now is a Pentium II. It also won't support
    USB 2.0 and the Apple iSight camera, nor will it support
    virtualization of Firewire. It runs passably well (not like Microsoft
    VPC for OS X, at least, which runs Windows like a snail), but still
    has more than its share of glitches and needed design-changes.

    I do believe that it's rather "telling" that Apple is promoting
    Parallels Workstation on their website, rather than their own Boot
    Camp software. I guess they don't want to turn machine "switchers"
    into what they consider "Windroids". And they certainly don't want to
    turn their "beautiful machines for the beautiful people" into
    mass-consumption "Winboxes" for the "Great Unwashed Masses".

    I do hope I am wrong about that, however. I do want to have a better
    attitude about Mac Fanatics, since we are now two sides of a single
    coin.


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    Donald L McDaniel
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    Donald McDaniel, Jul 21, 2006
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  9. Well, for starters there is not a complete driver set as yet. Several
    pieces of the hardware do not yet have drivers. Check the BootCamp beta
    release notes. They are enumerated there. Also, power management is
    clearly not finished. I have in fact seen glitches and reported them to
    Apple. There is a cpu driver problem in the support for virtualization
    technology that does not show up on Core Duo machines from other
    manufacturers.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 21, 2006
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  10. 1) The Apple Drivers for Windows XP on Intel Macs do not support the
    Apple Remote in XP(although I can use it to switch start-up disks once
    OS X starts to boot).
    2) The Apple Drivers for Windows XP on Intel Macs do not support
    Bluetooth, except with Apple keyboards and mice (and even then, very
    poorly).
    3) The Apple Drivers for Windows XP on Intel Macs do not support the
    iSight camera.
    4) AppleCDEject.exe only works with Apple keyboards.
    5) The Apple-provided Brightness.exe will work on the built-in display
    of my Intel iMac (currently set as secondary display), but NOT on my
    Apple Cinema Display 20" (currently set as primary display).

    There may be one or two devices other devices of the Intel Macs (or
    some of them) which are not yet supported by Apple in Windows XP. I
    have been reading about problems with MacBooks running hotter than
    normal, and have heard of various third-party video driver issues on
    MacBook Pros.

    But so far, the only devices I've not been able to use on my Intel
    iMac are the iSight camera, and the Apple Remote. I have had major
    problems with Bluetooth (especially Microsoft's Bluetooth Elite
    Desktop, which currently won't work very well with the Microsoft
    Bluetooth Radio plugged in the back of either my iMac, or my primary
    20" Apple Cinema Display (which is supposed to have USB 2.x connectors
    on the back), even under XP and with Apple's Bluetooth Drivers
    disabled. Discovery of devices is intermittent (even Apple's own
    Bluetooth keyboard only works intermittently in both XP and OS X), and
    is completely undependable.

    In addition, my Microsoft Bluetooth Elite keyboard's functionality is
    limited to the basic keys, but NOT the Favorite Keys, or any of the
    Web keys. The Media keys will work (mostly). But I cannot redefine
    the "Media" key as the Eject button as I can with Microsoft Desktop
    6.0 for Macintosh drivers in OS X. Apparently, only the Microsoft
    Bluetooth-enabled driver for the strictly-Mac keyboards works. And it
    only will install in OS X.

    But I have no problems with putting my Intel iMac to sleep under XP. I
    had with nothing but problems "Sleep" (specifically, XP would not come
    out of sleep once I put it in sleep mode) on my old non-Apple
    Winboxes. I haven't checked out XP's Hibernation on the Intel iMac
    yet, however.

    My Microsoft Desktop Elite (USB) keyboard works mostly, but again, I
    cannot redefine the Media Key as the Eject Key (there is no such
    option in the latest Microsoft Intellitype Pro 5.5 software). Adding
    "AppleCDEject.exe" as a program to execute when pressing the Media key
    does not work. In fact, it DISABLES the Media Key.
    Considering that the Apple Drivers for Windows XP are designed for
    APPLE Intel Macs, I certainly wouldn't doubt that at all.

    As far as I know, only Parallels Desktop for OS X is currently
    supporting the built-in Intel hardware virtualization of the Core-Duos
    on Intel Macs of any kind. Virtual PC does NOT support hardware
    virtualization, and probably never will. I don't know if Intel's
    hardware virtualization for Parallels Desktop for Windows is supported
    by Parallels yet. Although I don't think it does. I may be in error,
    however.


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    Donald L McDaniel
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    Donald McDaniel, Jul 22, 2006
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  11. There is a cpu driver problem in the support for virtualization
    "Considering that the Apple Drivers for Windows XP are designed for
    APPLE Intel Macs, I certainly wouldn't doubt that at all."

    Why? The Core Duo is the Core Duo and the cpu driver for Windows is
    certainly there. Virtualization Technology if a fundamental asset of the
    Core Duo. It has to be dealt with by all manufacturers who provide the
    processor in their products. The Hypervisor is a cpu process and not an OS
    process.

    "As far as I know, only Parallels Desktop for OS X is currently
    supporting the built-in Intel hardware virtualization of the Core-Duos
    on Intel Macs of any kind. Virtual PC does NOT support hardware
    virtualization, and probably never will. I don't know if Intel's
    hardware virtualization for Parallels Desktop for Windows is supported
    by Parallels yet. Although I don't think it does. I may be in error,
    however."

    You sure are. VT is supported in a Microsoft virtualization product I am
    using on XP Pro SP2 on my MacBook Pro. It clearly takes advantage of VT.

    You should not speculate on what will be supported by MS in the next
    iteration of VPC for OS/X. There is no technical barrier to supporting VT
    in any such VPC 8.

    But that is not the issue. The issue is that there are bugs that show up in
    Linux distros running on Virtual Server on a MBP that do not show up on
    other computers equipped with Core Duos when running the same software.

    Disabling VT resolves the issue, but VT is erroneously reenabled on the next
    startup of the virtual machine. This also does not happen on other
    computers running on Core Duos. Even if VT stayed disabled like it is
    supposed to, disabling it should not be necessary.

    Windows virtual machines perform fine with VT on. But Linux distros do not.
    The MacBook Pro has been the only machine I have been able to reproduce this
    on. Linux is just as well behaved as Windows on the non-Mac VT-capable
    Intel machines I have reports on. I suspect there is a firmware fix needed
    to resolve this.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 22, 2006
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  12. Thanks for your correction. Now I have a little more knowlege, if not
    more wisdom.
    What I should or should not do is completely up to my Father and His
    Son, not anyone else. They make the rules, not Microsoft or Apple, or
    you and I.

    Unless MANY users switch over to Intel Macs, I don't believe Microsoft
    will even release VPC 8 (for OS X). No money in it. As it is,
    they've made VPC7 a FREE download. This could be (or could not be) a
    precursor to stopping all development on the product for OS X,
    considering that OS X Leopard will possibly have hardware
    virtualization built in. Or maybe not. Only Microsoft and Apple
    TRULY knows. And that will probably be up to the Bean Counters at
    Microsoft anyway.

    Anyone may speculate, sir. It's part of the human experience. Sorry
    that it's not a part of yours.
    Why would anyone (besides Linux Geeks and a few houses who hate
    Microsofts' licensing structure) want to run Linux on their Intel
    iMacs? I certainly don't. I don't even like running Linux on a
    Wintel PC. So I'm not really concerned with whether Linux runs on a
    MacBook or not.
    I've found a similar problem with my machine. I uninstall Apple
    Bluetooth completely in Device Manager, and the hardware wizard always
    starts up immediately upon rebooting into Windows. Disabling it (as
    well as the rest of the non-working iMac hardware (iSight, Unknown PCI
    devices) rather than uninstalling it seems to keep me from having to
    click through the Hardware Installation Wizard each time I reboot.
    After disabling the drivers, I no longer have to deal with the Wizard
    each time I reboot.
    I really didn't like so-called "hardware virtualization". At least at
    this stage of the technology. I bought Parallels Desktop for OS X
    when it was released to manufacturing, and disliked it so much I only
    used it a day or two before I uninstalled it. While it works as
    advertised, Windows STILL runs sluggishly (even though they say the
    hit is "only" 10%-20%.)

    Personally, I think it's closer to 20%. And 20% can be a HUGE amount.
    I would LOVE to have "only" 20% of the Bank of England's capital, for
    instance, or "only" 20% of the gold in Fort Knox, or even "only" 1%).
    In otherwords, advertised percentages do not always tell the whole
    story. In the case of Parallels Desktop for OS X, it's a LOT when
    running XP, and most certainly DOESN'T tell the whole story. Maybe I
    will revisit it when the technology becomes more mature, if I'm still
    alive.

    I much prefer using Boot Camp Assistant. XP runs "faster than snot on
    a wet door knob" that way. In fact, it runs even FASTER than on my
    old 3.2gHZ Wintel PC w/Hyperthreading, which ran "almost as fast as
    the winds on Jupiter".


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    Donald McDaniel, Jul 23, 2006
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  13. Colin Barnhorst, Jul 23, 2006
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  14. I admit I was rather confused there, since I have used Parallels
    Desktop for Apple Intel PCs on my Apple Intel PC myself, and it uses
    Intel's Hardware Virtualization (which I referred to in the FIRST part
    of my response).

    But, as far as I know, Parallels Desktop for Windows (which I referred
    to in the LAST sentence of the above statement, NOT a Microsoft
    product) does not support OS X as a guest OS (even the Universal
    version of OS X, which is the only Apple OS which supports hardware
    virtualization of any kind as far as I know.)

    However, I was referring to VPC by Microsoft, not a Parallels product,
    when I stated that "Virtual PC does NOT support hardware
    virtualization, and probably never will". I have no access to any
    other Virtualization (hardware or software) product by Microsoft for
    Apple PCs, so I certainly wouldn't know, would I?

    Anyway, I was probably mistaken (or I misunderstood Microsoft's
    announcement) about VPC/Mac being released as a free product. However,
    it really is not an option, in my opinion, unless one has no other
    alternative, having seen it in action on a dual-CPU Mac G5. Or for
    only doing a few text files.

    For media editing, it really is a dog (but OS X is a dog, anyway. VPC
    7/Mac makes it an even mangier dog.)


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    Colin, it really would help if you would start using bottom-posting,
    rather than top-posting (or even better, inline posting). It would
    help others to respond easier, also.

    In addition, since you seem to be one of the more knowledgeable
    posters here, you could serve as an example of good posting to other
    less-experienced posters.

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    Donald L McDaniel
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    Donald McDaniel, Aug 5, 2006
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  15. Kode

    Zack Uribe Guest

    Actually top posting is WAY better. You can see the current information
    instantaneously instead of tyrying to search throughout a thread(inline
    posting) or having to scroll all the way to the bottom of the post to read
    what the reply is...particularly annoying when it is just a LOL or other
    message that does not add to the discussion.....like your addition to this
    thread...
     
    Zack Uribe, Aug 7, 2006
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