Is Movie Maker sending anyone else round the twist?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Music, Pictures and Video' started by migrant99, Jul 28, 2007.

  1. migrant99

    migrant99 Guest

    My project has a mix of mpegs and avi's and photos and titles. Sometimes the
    timeline will play but add another video and it won't. Splice that piece of
    video and delete a part - hey, it plays! This problem doesn't exist in any of
    my other video editing software. I'm losing the will to live.... Come on
    Microsoft, pull the finger out!!
    Any suggestions helpful community?!
    Thanks you.
    G
     
    migrant99, Jul 28, 2007
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  2. migrant99

    John Hanley Guest

    I found that WMM did not handle my mpeg files reliably. I convert my mpeg's
    to avi first, using VirtualDub for MPEG-2; then I am putting only avi's on
    the timeline and that works well for me.
     
    John Hanley, Jul 28, 2007
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  3. It seems Movie Maker doesn't do a good job of transcoding. A good
    video editor should be able to handle any supported type of file you
    throw on the timeline and transcode (convert it) into whatever file
    type your project is set to publish (render). It also seems judging on
    what I read here that Movie Maker in very finicky over even the
    slightest variation in a file's internal structure and will crash and
    burn from the slightest imperfection. Again a sign of a BAD video
    editor.
     
    Adam Albright, Jul 28, 2007
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  4. migrant99

    PapaJohn Guest

    What version of Vista are you using?... the Home Premium and Ultimate
    versions have Microsoft's new MPEG2 codec... while other versions would need
    an MPEG2 codec added by the computer's OEM or you.
     
    PapaJohn, Jul 28, 2007
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  5. I have several MPEG-2 encoders and Movie Makers is simply too stupid
    to know what to do with them. Pathetic.
     
    Adam Albright, Jul 28, 2007
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  6. migrant99

    PapaJohn Guest

    I have a low end $399 Toshiba Home Basic laptop.... without a DVD burner...

    Toshiba put ULead DVD software with an MPEG2 codec on it... I can view
    MPEG-2 files in WMP, and make DVD files with the ULead software, but Movie
    Maker 6 doesn't effectively use the codec to let me edit movies with MPEG-2
    files.

    Except for the Home Premium and Ultimate versions (I have an Ultimate system
    which has MM6 and handles MPEG2 files fine), the other versions of Vista
    work the same as MM2.1 in XP.

    The Vista section of my website has tips about Movie Maker 6, covering such
    things as this..
     
    PapaJohn, Jul 28, 2007
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  7. I assume you are referring to the Compatibility section under
    tools/options. Two problems with Microsoft implementation. If you have
    all kinds of codecs as I do since I do professional video work
    disabling one at a time from such a long list just to see what Movie
    Maker chokes on is ridiculous.

    What's even lamer is as many people reported and I've experienced
    myself is some videos play fine in Media Player, but just choke in
    Movie Maker. Only Microsoft is dumb enough to write a operating system
    that rumor has it spans 50 million lies of code and still ends up with
    a hodgepodge where some Microsoft application understands a certain
    codec and others don't. Absurd!
     
    Adam Albright, Jul 28, 2007
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  8. migrant99

    PapaJohn Guest

    the thread started with migrant 99 asking for suggestions, but not saying
    what version of Vista he or she is running... I just stopped by to offer a
    comment.

    If you're suggesting migrant 99 shift to other software, what software? Lots
    of users are interested in knowing. Mine is Adobe Premiere Elements. Start
    with a full featured 30 day trial download.

    I specialize in things wrong with Movie Maker... so I'm not disagreeing with
    you... my main goal is to help users, not knock Microsoft or sell other
    apps.
     
    PapaJohn, Jul 28, 2007
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  9. I'm not disagreeing with you either. Pointing out how screwed up Movie
    Maker is actually is something people should be made aware especially
    since my guess a lot of people posting here are new to video editing
    and could be thinking they're doing something wrong when they're not,
    the fault often being with Movie Maker, Media Player or Photo Gallery.
    I assume people posting to a Vista support group are running Vista,
    unless they state otherwise.

    I've said many times I use Sony's Vegas. A highly respected video
    editor among professional ranks. We never could figure out how it got
    such a odd name as Vegas. Best guess, you get a lot of bang and glitz
    for your buck, so, maybe that's it. <wink>

    I also realize Vegas is probably a bit much for casual use. Why Sony
    also has a entry level version based on Vegas called their home studio
    line. Both have free trials as well.

    My view, which I expressed here many times is Microsoft's Movie Maker
    is good enough is good enough is all you want. Fine to just see how to
    do very basic video editing and probably still fine if you're only
    going to make a video just once in awhile.

    However if anybody is serious about making videos, then don't walk,
    RUN as fast as you can away from Movie Maker. There are many
    applications out there that run under Windows that are way better.

    My opinion, Elements is ok, but still a basic, somewhat bland entry
    level application. While Sony's home studio line includes many of the
    way more powerful Vegas features. That makes a HUGE difference in what
    you can do and can't.

    This page shows what Vegas can do, compared to it's little brother.

    http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/products/product.asp?PID=446&PageID=89

    A couple slick features I don't think Elements has, (correct me if I'm
    wrong) is Event reverse and track motion. The first is obvious, click
    a button play any part of the timeline in reverse, the second allows
    you to have multiple videos all merged into the same frame. That means
    you can grab a control at the track header and reduce the space Video
    A takes up in the frame then add in Video B and do the same. In Vegas
    no limit how many, lessor version have limited tracks.
     
    Adam Albright, Jul 28, 2007
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  10. Not that I want to get embroiled in an arguement, but Sony Vegas is not "A
    highly respected video editor among professional ranks."

    It is certainly a very good editing application, but more prosumer, as a
    next step up from the likes of MM.

    Why are there so many forums for users of vegas? Why are they full of
    problems to answer as well?

    The answer is the same as the app I use, Canopus Edius, none are perfect,
    there are far to many variables with PC and equipment to test with every
    combination, so they do the best they can and then hopefully try to sort out
    any problems as they go along.

    MM should handle other file types better by now, it is a big paina dn we
    argue hard and long for it, but we have to live with what we have, and as
    Papajohn says, try to help out those who are experiencing difficulties
     
    Graham Hughes, Jul 29, 2007
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  11. Well, you sure have a funny way of trying to avoid it. How many
    professionals you know?
     
    Adam Albright, Jul 29, 2007
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  12. I know several who work for the BBC, ITV and for themselves.

    I am also a professional, though I still wouldn't call my editing app,
    Canopus Edius a truly professional one.
     
    Graham Hughes, Jul 30, 2007
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  13. Well I took exception to you claiming Vegas wasn't a professional
    grade editor since I know many professionals besides myself that use
    it. One example would be Douglas Spotted Eagle who's used Vegas and
    other Sony video/audio products and teaches classes on their use world
    wide. Douglas has won Grammy, Emmy, DuPont, Peabody, and many other
    awards for his work both behind and in front of the camera and is an
    accomplished musician as well.

    Sony Vegas+DVD Receives "Best of 2006" Honors from Videomaker Magazine
    The Editors of Leading Industry Resource for Video Professionals Have
    Selected Vegas+DVD as One of the Best Video Production Products of
    2006.

    I think you need to be more careful and avoid letting your opinions
    get wrongly elevated to factual status. Everyone has their favorite
    tools. If or not the tool or the user of the tool is "professional"
    really is in the eyes of the beholder I guess. <wink>.
     
    Adam Albright, Jul 30, 2007
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  14. Quote
    "..........avoid letting your opinions...........

    Everyone has their favorite tools."

    Exactly my point,

    :)
     
    Graham Hughes, Jul 30, 2007
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  15. migrant99

    migrant99 Guest

    Thanks to all who've answered. Didn't mean to start an incident!
    I'm relieved it's not jus me then. I'm using Vista Home Premium. The laptop
    is only a few months old. Since my question I converted all my mpegs into
    AVI's with... Sony Vegas! Why not use that instead I hear you ask. Well, I
    like some of the transitions, effects and titles it uses (even though titling
    is a struggles too!). For the present job I wanted to use it's more basic
    functions. However, since converting all files to AVI's as Microsoft help
    suggested, I STILL get the same problems. I've discovered that on saving a
    project that worked and re-opening that project, it doesn't play, so, I move
    one clip to another place, move it back and hey presto it plays. I have to do
    this everytime I re-open my project. NOW I find that one of my AVI's which
    plays fine independently, plays out of sync with the sound if I start
    trimming the clip. I'm thinking of shooting myself so I don't have to suffer
    the purgatory of Microsoft's lethargic responses to it's sooperdooper new
    operating system advance! Any advice or suggestions for ANY of the above
    entirely welcome. Thanks again guys.
    G
     
    migrant99, Jul 30, 2007
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  16. If you can't have a bit of friendly banter here we are all doomed ;-0

    What sort of avi did you make?

    AVI is just a wrapper, it's the bit which sits in front of this that
    matters.

    So,
    dv.avi is good and works with MM - or it should
    divx.avi is bad and won't work

    You can also get xvid and even mpeg2 can be wrapped in avi, along with
    hundreds of other file types, which don't work with MM.

    If you don't know which sort of avi it is, then use something like avicodec
    or Gspot to tell you.

    I have links here
    http://www.myvideoproblems.com/WebPages/UsefulProgrammes.htm
     
    Graham Hughes, Jul 30, 2007
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  17. migrant99

    PapaJohn Guest

    Thanks for not abandoning the thread...

    When you do the MPEG to AVI conversion in Vegas, you get to pick the
    compression codecs used. As Graham said, it's a matter of which ones you
    used.

    That's not the whole answer, but the right help starts with knowing the
    codecs used.
     
    PapaJohn, Jul 30, 2007
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  18. migrant99

    migrant99 Guest

    Thanks to both of you, very much. That link was very usefull and I used the
    Gspot program. My AVI's are DV type 2 AVI. I'm not sure whether this is ok
    but I've discovered that although one of the files I mentioned in my last
    post rendered in Vegas from mpeg seems to be in sync at the begining and out
    by the end! Very odd. Trying to render again. Perhaps I'll have to lift from
    the original DVD again. Maybe that's where the problem lies. But strange
    thing is, I've played this file from the point where it's in sync and just
    let it run. The sound and pictures are together right to the end! What's that
    all about?!
    Cheers guys
    G
     
    migrant99, Jul 30, 2007
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  19. What incident... you should see the squabbling in the general group.
    ;-)
    That may or may not be a good idea depending on what you do next. What
    kind of projects are you making? Did you already buy Vegas or are you
    just sampling the program? If you're just trying the demo you don't
    have access to the MPEG-2 encoder yet.
     
    Adam Albright, Jul 30, 2007
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  20. migrant99

    migrant99 Guest

    PS
    This video plays in sync in the preview pane of Vegas.
    I'm losing my will...
    G
     
    migrant99, Jul 30, 2007
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