Is the LLTD responder required on XP SP3

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Networking' started by Bill, Jun 18, 2008.

  1. Bill

    Bill Guest

    Must I install the LLTD responder on XP SP3 machines to allow a Vista
    machine to see the XP machines on the network?
     
    Bill, Jun 18, 2008
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  2. The LLTD Responder isn't required on any version of XP. Vista and XP
    can see each other and share files without it.

    The only purpose of the LLTD Responder is to allow an XP computer to
    appear in Vista's "Network Map".
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    Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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    Steve Winograd, Jun 18, 2008
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  3. Bill

    Gordon Guest

    AFAIK LLTD is included in SP3 anyway - trying to find a "kosher"
    reference....
     
    Gordon, Jun 18, 2008
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  4. Hi
    The LLTD responder can make Networking life a little easier but it should
    work without it too.
    Jack (MVP-Networking).
     
    Jack \(MVP-Networking\)., Jun 18, 2008
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  5. At least the source for the manual installation wrote that it is
    not included in SP3 and that LLTD did not work before he
    installed it manually.

    It would be nice to have at least a second source though.

    Hans-Georg
     
    Hans-Georg Michna, Jun 19, 2008
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  6. Bill

    Bill Guest

    Well, I am not an authoritative source but I can say that LLTD did not
    appear in the list for any network connection on any of my three XP SP3
    machines. After following the manual install instruction LLTD did
    appear on the network connections on all three XP SP3 machines.
     
    Bill, Jun 19, 2008
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  7. Bill,

    that would be an indication, but the question remains whether
    the LLTD function was there even though LLTD was not explicitly
    visible. The real question is whether a Vista PC can see XP SP3
    PCs in its network map without the manual LLTD installation.

    Hans-Georg
     
    Hans-Georg Michna, Jun 20, 2008
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  8. Bill

    Bill Guest

    In my case the answer is no. The Vista PC did not show any of the XP
    PCs in its full map view until I performed the manual LLTD install on
    the XP PCs. After installing LLTD on one XP PC I opened the full map in
    Vista and that one XP PC was displayed. The other two were not. I then
    installed LLTD on the other two, opend the full map view and all three
    XP PCs were displayed.
     
    Bill, Jun 20, 2008
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  9. Bill,

    well, that sounds pretty convincing.

    So we conclude fairly firmly that Service Pack 3 does not
    contain the LLTD function.

    Thanks for the good information!

    Hans-Georg
     
    Hans-Georg Michna, Jun 21, 2008
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  10. Bill

    Gordon Guest

    Interestingly I bought a new laptop three months ago. I connected it to my
    network, and immediately the XP machine (Pro SP2) was visible, and with
    shared files and folders, by the Vista machine. I did nothing to make it
    happen. it just did.
     
    Gordon, Jun 21, 2008
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  11. Dominic Payer, Jun 21, 2008
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  12. That's normal. It isn't necessary to install the LLTD Responder on
    Windows XP. XP and Vista can see each other and share files and
    folders without it.

    The only reason to install the LLTD Responder is to have XP appear in
    the network topology section of Vista's Network Map. Without it, XP
    will appear in the "can not be placed in the map" section of Vista's
    Network Map.
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    Best Wishes,
    Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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    addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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    Steve Winograd, Jun 21, 2008
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  13. We seem to be talking about two different things all the time.
    Bill had written about some Windows XP SP3 computers:
    That's pretty clear and unambiguous too. We have two statements
    that look conflicting at first sight, but perhaps they really
    aren't.

    I suppose that Bill was indeed talking about the network map, so
    the question remains whether you, Gordon, were also talking
    about the network map. I assume you weren't.

    Another hypothesis is that LLTD was meant to be included in SP3,
    but somehow it didn't work. One question is whether the three
    files that can be manually installed are, in fact, already
    there, when SP3 is installed. If they aren't, then the SP3 fix
    list would be wrong.

    Hans-Georg
     
    Hans-Georg Michna, Jun 21, 2008
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  14. Bill

    Gordon Guest

    What do you mean by "Network Map"?
     
    Gordon, Jun 21, 2008
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  15. Click the Start button, click Control Panel > Classic View > Network
    and Sharing Center, and click "View full map".
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    Best Wishes,
    Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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    Steve Winograd, Jun 22, 2008
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  16. Bill

    Gordon Guest

    Thanks for that. I am now confused. What is the point of that? If I can see
    and share files on my XP machine from my Vista machine via Start-Network
    WITHOUT having installed LLTD on the XP machine, what is the point of the
    "full map" for a LAN? Does it actually matter that the XP machine doesn't
    show in the full map when it shows quite normally in Start-Network?
     
    Gordon, Jun 23, 2008
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  17. The network map shows the topology of the network: computers,
    switches, routers, Internet gateways, and the connections between
    them. It might be helpful when troubleshooting the network or
    adding/removing devices. It isn't needed for file sharing. It
    doesn't matter whether a machine appears in the network map.
    --
    Best Wishes,
    Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

    Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
    for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
    addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

    Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
     
    Steve Winograd, Jun 23, 2008
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  18. I have spent several hours attempting to get my new Gateway/Vista PC
    networked (through my router) to my Sony/XP system--which has two printers
    and many old files that I will need. Linksys sent me to Microsoft; Microsoft
    sent me to Gateway (as they had installed the Vista), Gateway sent me to
    their online help--which gave me the link to needing the LLTD responder. I
    typed LLTD responder in and received this site--as well as others.

    Can you help me? ~Susan
     
    Susan M. Kline, Jun 23, 2008
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  19. Bill

    Chuck [MVP] Guest

    Susan,

    We will try. But as you may note from perusing the rest of this thread, the
    LLTD responder, and the Network Map, are not such an essential or powerful
    solution to every network problem.
    <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2008/04/windows-vista-and-network-map.html>
    http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2008/04/windows-vista-and-network-map.html

    I would try to diagnose your problem, using logs from "browstat status",
    "ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
    computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this article, and linked
    articles, and follow instructions precisely (Download browstat, and run all
    commands in Vista as an admin.):
    <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
    http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
     
    Chuck [MVP], Jun 24, 2008
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  20. Bill

    Sirius B Guest

    I also have this problem. LLTD ok on Vista & have downloaded the XP version
    from MS. However, when attenpting to install, XP SP3 states that it is an
    earlier version than that already installed. Yet, 3 XP machines & 1 WHS
    Server not showing on map.

    Have read the preceding posts, how does one install it manually?
     
    Sirius B, Jun 30, 2008
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