is using ctrl-alt-del to shut down computer harmful?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Amanda, Jun 11, 2007.

  1. Amanda

    Amanda Guest

    My mom-in-law recently got a new e-machine running Vista Premium. She was
    just getting accustomed to XP, so some of the new Vista details can be
    troubling for her. I try to teach her whenever I can. (She's 76 and never
    used a computer before. She's taking to it verrrry slowly.)
    ANYWAY, she told me the other day she couldn't find the start button to shut
    down, so she just unplugged the power. (geesh.)
    I told her never do that, showed her the new Windows symbol where the START
    should be, went through the shut down process a few times. Then I showed her
    how to use the Ctrl-alt-del and choose shutdown, just in case she got
    confused again. About a week later she told me proudly that she's been
    shutting down the computer properly now every time with the ctrl-alt-del.
    I always thought that was a worst case scenario kind of shut down, but is
    it? Is it harmful to let her use that as the normal shutdown? Now that she;s
    learned it, it may be hard to un-learn.
     
    Amanda, Jun 11, 2007
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  2. Using the shutdown command from within the Task Manager (ctrl/alt/del) is
    the same as going through the Start menu. No problems there!
     
    Dustin Harper, Jun 12, 2007
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  3. Amanda

    Andy Guest

    Amanda, why you don't want to show her the Power button on the front of
    case? She can use it freely. There is no any harm for OS or PC itself, if
    you and she will shut it down with this big button, which you and she use to
    start machine.
     
    Andy, Jun 12, 2007
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  4. Amanda

    Amanda Guest

    Andy I always thought that shutting down with the power button was harmful to
    the computer. Doesn't windows need to have that few moments to stop processes
    & put away files? I've always used the shut down command instead.
     
    Amanda, Jun 12, 2007
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  5. Amanda

    Tom Lake Guest

    When I press the power button, Windows automatically goes into its shutdown
    procedure.
    If I hold it in for more than four seconds, however, power is cut.

    Tom Lake
     
    Tom Lake, Jun 12, 2007
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    f/fgeorge Guest

    This lets any open files be saved and processes be shutdown the way
    the computer thinks they should be.
    This can create issues for the pc. If a program is open and you do
    this it could cause issues the next time it is opened. Also any
    unsaved work is lost.
     
    f/fgeorge, Jun 12, 2007
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  7. A quick press and release of the power button simply initiates Window's
    proper shutdown procedure. It does no harm at all and in fact is exactly
    the same as using the Start button or the Ctrl Alt Del procedure.

    If you press and hold the button in for several seconds, you will force the
    computer to shut down immediately, without doing the proper procedure. In
    other words, press-and-hold is for those rare occasions when your computer
    has crashed so hard it won't respond to anything.

    Steve
     
    Steve Thackery, Jun 12, 2007
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  8. Amanda

    Amanda Guest

    well, this is what I thought, that the power button was not the way to go. I
    did not know though, that the windows shut down would come on.....I do feel I
    should use the shut down sequence though. I just wanted to be sure the
    ctrl-alt-del was not harmful. Once my mother in law learns something, it's
    tough to unlearn. [email protected]
     
    Amanda, Jun 12, 2007
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  9. No, not necessarily. It *may* do that or it may do something else. The
    setting that controls it is in Control Panel | Power Options.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Jun 12, 2007
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  10. Amanda

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Amanda.

    Good for mom-in-law!
    No harm, no foul. ;^}

    While it's not the best way to shut down, it sure beats pulling the plug!

    On the Ctrl+Alt+Del screen, the Shut Down icon has a small triangular arrow
    just to the right. Clicking this gets a smaller version of the Start
    button's menu, with Shut Down still at the bottom. It might be easier for
    her to select this option, which produces the same graceful shut down as
    using the Start button.

    (I accidentally Shut Down my computer 3 times by testing while typing this
    Reply. :>( So maybe I'm not the best guy to be answering this question.)

    RC
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    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    (Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64)
     
    R. C. White, Jun 12, 2007
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  11. Amanda

    Andy Guest

    Amanda, just try one time. Don't be afraid.
    When you push this switch just for second, as you do this when you start the
    mashine, Windows will make shut down process in same order as it does when
    you click on "Start" > "Shutdown" buttons.
    BUT, if you will push and hold the Power switch for four (4) seconds or
    more, the BIOS will shut down your machine immediately. Don't do this now.
    Most manual books from PC manufactors are giving this advise to use the
    front button also. Sadly, nobody read their manuals...
    Amanda, my mom is 78, and she use the Power switch (front button) always.
     
    Andy, Jun 12, 2007
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  12. Amanda

    Amanda Guest

    Well, OK ANdy. I checked in Contro Panel | Power options as another person
    had suggested, and sure enough it does say it is set up to use the power
    button. I promise I'll try it this evening when I shut down for the night. I
    love shortcuts, and this sounds like a good one.....Thanks! (I think I'll let
    mom-in-law do it her way)
     
    Amanda, Jun 12, 2007
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  13. Amanda

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Andy.

    Thanks for that information! I didn't know that - and now I do. ;<)

    And Thanks to Amanda and her mom-in-law for starting this conversation.

    I probably will continue to shut down by pushing the Vista button onscreen,
    after putting away my toys, because old habits die hard. But it's nice to
    know that I CAN shut down by pushing the computer case's Power button if I
    want to. ;<)

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    (Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64)
     
    R. C. White, Jun 13, 2007
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  14. Amanda

    Amanda Guest

    OK, well I tried it myself & sure enough, it works beautifully. Just a quick
    push on the power button, voila, a proper shutdown. I love to find new ways
    to do things on the computer. It's so cool to me that there's usually more
    than one way to accomplish things....thanks again to all who responded....who
    knew this subject would spark so much discussion! :)
     
    Amanda, Jun 13, 2007
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    f/fgeorge Guest

    Why do you shut your pc down at night? I have a bunch of pcs and never
    turn them off. Some have been running non stop for over 3 years! Newer
    pcs use very little electricity and if you just press the power button
    on the monitor the total use is even less.
     
    f/fgeorge, Jun 13, 2007
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    Andy Guest

    Hey, f/fgeorge, have you a light bulb in your household wich you did not
    shut down for three years?
    It is ridiculous give people advise to waste their money. This is your own
    personal hobby, to throw away money from the window. Please, keep yor
    personal attributes with you, buddy.
     
    Andy, Jun 14, 2007
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  17. Amanda

    Andy Guest

    You are joking, buddy!
    If not, your are the first MVP in my live, who did not know that....
    Good luck so far...

    P.S. your are second MVP, who I know.
    ;)
     
    Andy, Jun 14, 2007
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  18. Amanda

    f/fgeorge Guest

    Do you unplug your microwave after every use? It has a clock and uses
    electricity! How about your clock radio, after you get up and do not
    need it all day , do you unplug it? Why not, your pc uses little more
    when in a resting state?
    You are thinking old time pcs and the days of 286 and 386 pcs. I said
    earlier, newer pcs use little more than a light bulb and there is MUCH
    discussion about whether, since it is electronic and the heating and
    cooling of soldered HAS been shown to cause failures, turning a pc on
    and off is more dangerous than just leaving it run all the time.
    ALOT of people have come to the conclusion that just leaving them run,
    with the monitor off, is better in the long run. YOU can do what you
    would like to do, I was questioning the wisdom of your choice and
    trying to enlighten you as to some of todays thinking. But YOU are the
    one sitting with the pc and it is YOUR choice whether to leave it on
    or turn it off.
    Do you really think most businesses go around and turn off their pcs
    every night? No they do not, it causes them to fail! Is your pc any
    less valuable to you then their pcs are to them?
     
    f/fgeorge, Jun 14, 2007
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    Charlie Tame Guest


    I agree, you are 100% correct that thermal shock is harmful.
     
    Charlie Tame, Jun 16, 2007
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  20. Amanda

    Charlie Tame Guest


    You had the best method to begin with, (apart from not shutting it down
    at all of course) and it's good that the power button can be made to
    work for you but as Ken pointed out that does not apply to all machines
    and I even know of cases where it "Should" apply but doesn't - never
    assume that two machines will work the same even if they are "Similar".
     
    Charlie Tame, Jun 16, 2007
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