issue installing win98 se

Discussion in 'Virtual PC' started by EdUarDo, Jan 23, 2005.

  1. EdUarDo

    EdUarDo Guest

    My environment is Win2000 pro with Virtual PC 2004.
    I've created a Windows 98 Virtual Machine but when I boot
    from a CD containinng a bootable Win98 SE the VPC show me
    this error message 'program too big to fit in memory'.

    I've setup the Virtual Machine with 256MB, also triied with 64MB
    and 512MB, but always get the same error.

    any help?
     
    EdUarDo, Jan 23, 2005
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  2. How much memory do you have on the host? You need enough for the host
    operating system plus whatever you have allocated for the guest. Also, be
    sure to boot into the guest with a Windows 98 boot disk and prep and format
    the guest C: drive just as you would a physical machine.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 23, 2005
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  3. EdUarDo

    EdUarDo Guest

    1 GB I think it's enough
     
    EdUarDo, Jan 23, 2005
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  4. Are you running Nero InCD? If so, you need to update to the latest version.
    There is a bugfix in the new version.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 23, 2005
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  5. EdUarDo

    EdUarDo Guest

    ¿? I'm using a physical CD drive, not Nero at all.
    May be a problem with Win98 SE?
     
    EdUarDo, Jan 24, 2005
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  6. Nero InCD is software for packet writing to a CD. Do you have any Nero
    software on your system?

    The problem is NOT with Windows 98.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 24, 2005
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  7. EdUarDo

    EdUarDo Guest

    Yes (maybe version 6.3, don't remember), but I'm not using it to install the S.O.
    into my virtual machine. Nero it isn't running when I'm trying to install Win98.

    I don't understand why Nero InCD couldn't let me install Win98 in a Virtual PC.
     
    EdUarDo, Jan 24, 2005
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  8. EdUarDo

    Bill Grant Guest

    Whether you understand it or not, that is probably the cause. InCD
    gobbles up the available memory. You will need to remove it or update to the
    latest version, which has a fix for this problem.
     
    Bill Grant, Jan 24, 2005
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  9. EdUarDo

    EdUarDo Guest

    Ok, I'll try to do it.
     
    EdUarDo, Jan 24, 2005
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  10. InCD runs a scanner in the background to detect when a cd or dvd is inserted
    into a drive, so it is running. The weekly FAQ provided by Jonathan Maltz
    addresses this problem. Please use the link to update to the latest version
    of InCD.

    11. I have a lot of RAM in my computer, but Virtual PC is only allowing me
    to allocate a very small amount. Task manager says I'm not using most of it.
    Why can't I use more memory? - Added 10/5/2004
    This problem is generally caused by an old version of the InCD packet
    CD-writing application. You can get the updated version here.
    (http://www.nero.com/en/nero-up.php)
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 24, 2005
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  11. EdUarDo

    Paul Adare Guest

    microsoft.public.virtualpc news group, <"Colin Barnhorst"
    Time out here. You're more than likely sending the OP on a wild goose
    chase here.

    The error message you get about not enough memory when running InCD is
    generated by the VPC app itself, and is not "The program is too big to
    fit into memory". In addition, when hitting this error, you are unable
    to start another guest, which is clearly not the case here.

    Eduardo, is the message being generated inside the guest? Can you
    detail, step by step, exactly how you're trying to install Win98SE? My
    guess, off the top of my head is that you're either trying to run the
    wrong executable for setup or that you don't have enough conventional
    memory to start the setup.

    --
    Paul Adare
    "On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament],
    'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures,
    will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend
    the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
    -- Charles Babbage (1791-1871)
     
    Paul Adare, Jan 25, 2005
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  12. EdUarDo

    EdUarDo Guest

    Eduardo, is the message being generated inside the guest? Can you
    Of course.

    1 - Launch Virtual PC.
    2 - Create a new Win98 Virtual Machine.
    3 - Create a new virtual hard disk.
    4 - Start that Virtual Machine (aka VM).
    5 - Insert a bootable Win98SE into CD.
    6 - Set the VM to use a physical CD drive.
    7 - Reset the VM.
    8 - The VM boots from CD and recognize the OS.
    9 - While booting it shows the option fo launch setup from the CD.
    10 - I select that option and I think it starts the setup of the OS.
    11 - I get the error message 'program too big to fit in memory'.
    How could I change the conventional memory oh the VM?

    My host have 1024MB, more than 700MB are free.
     
    EdUarDo, Jan 25, 2005
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  13. Well, I'm puzzled. I thought that Win98 CD-ROMs were not bootable.

    Is this CD-ROM an original Microsoft CD-ROM, or has it been hacked in some
    way? If so, it might be trying to load some unknown program which does not
    fit into RAM.
    In the Properties for the VM. How much RAM have you allocated to the VM?
     
    Robin Walker [MVP], Jan 25, 2005
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  14. EdUarDo

    Robert Comer Guest

    You don't list FDISK and FORMAT the (virtual) hard drive in that list, you
    have to do that before the Win98SE install.

    - Bob Comer
     
    Robert Comer, Jan 25, 2005
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  15. As my initial reply pointed out.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 25, 2005
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  16. EdUarDo

    Paul Adare Guest

    microsoft.public.virtualpc news group, Robin Walker [MVP]

    Not sure if you are actually booting from a CD how'd you do this. In the
    MS-DOS days, you'd tweak autoexec.bat and config.sys.
    No, that has no effect on conventional memory. :)


    --
    Paul Adare
    "On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament],
    'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures,
    will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend
    the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
    -- Charles Babbage (1791-1871)
     
    Paul Adare, Jan 25, 2005
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  17. EdUarDo

    Robert Comer Guest

    Well, I'm puzzled. I thought that Win98 CD-ROMs were not bootable.

    Some distributions of Win98SE are bootable. (They basically have the same
    boot info as a Win98SE emergency floppy disk.)

    - Bob Comer <MVP Virtual PC for Windows>
     
    Robert Comer, Jan 25, 2005
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  18. EdUarDo

    Robert Comer Guest

    Yes you did, but it doesn't hurt repeating it if that may be the problem.
    (And I suspect it is)

    One difference is that he's booting from the CD, rather than a boot disk,
    but it still would work the same given how a Win98SE bootable CD acts.

    - Bob Comer


     
    Robert Comer, Jan 25, 2005
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  19. EdUarDo

    EdUarDo Guest

    But when I've installed a Win OS in a PC without a formatted drive
    I've been asked to do it by the setup process.

    When you install some Win, you must select a drive, format it if necessary, etc...
    all of that after insert a CD with an OS.

    Anyway, yesterday I've couldn't do anything with VPC, may be today carry on with it.

    And I don't wanna be ungrateful with all of people who have take interest in this post.
    Thank you all.
     
    EdUarDo, Jan 26, 2005
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  20. EdUarDo

    Steve Jain Guest

    Yes, NT-based OSes only though. 9x OSes require an fdisked and
    formatted drive to install on
    Not for Win95, Win98 and WinME. Win95/98 cd-rom's weren't bootable
    and included a boot floppy to start off the installation.
    --
    Steve Jain, Virtual PC for Windows MVP
    Website: http://www.essjae.com
    "This posting is provided "AS IS" with
    no warranties, and confers no rights.
    You assume all risk for your use."
     
    Steve Jain, Jan 26, 2005
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