It's very difficult to put text cursor at the end of a line (to add text)

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by JethroUK©, Sep 14, 2009.

  1. JethroUK©

    JethroUK© Guest

    It's very difficult to put text cursor at the end of a line (to add text)

    In all other apps (incl previous versions IE) you can click your mouse
    *anywhere* to the right of last character in a line and the keyboard cursor
    positions itself immediately to the right of the last character

    Cant do this in IE8 - the keyboard cursor will simply not appear at all -
    you have to click *exactly* to the right of the character - or quicker is
    just click on the next line down and delete back

    I cant be the only one that experiences this and it's becoming more n more
    frustrating - it's out of synch with other apps

    When do MS intent to fix it?
     
    JethroUK©, Sep 14, 2009
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  2. Quicker is to click anywhere in the current line and press End.


    Fix what? It is probably web site dependent.
    For example, I can't reproduce your claim here:

    http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=123456


    Post a sample URL if you want to discuss something specifc.


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    Robert Aldwinckle, Sep 14, 2009
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  3. JethroUK©

    VanguardLH Guest

    I can using your sample URL. Turn on Caret Browsing (F7) in IE8. Now
    if you move the mouse cursor slowly from off the end of a line towards
    the end of the line, you'll see the mouse cursor change from the arrow
    (or whatever icon you selected for the mouse pointer) to the thin "I"
    character noting when the mouse cursor switches from pointer mode to
    insert point mode.

    You can only place the insert point by placing the mouse right up
    against the right edge of the last character in a line. If you click
    any further away to the right (which means the mouse cursor changes from
    the "I" insert point to the pointer icon), clicking there results in the
    insert point getting placed at the start of the NEXT line.

    Clicking anywhere except to the immediate right of the last character in
    a line results in the insert point getting positioned at the beginning
    of the next line, not at the end of the line where you clicked. This is
    easily seen if you turn on Caret Mode.

    Even a worse nuisance are some Caret Mode abnormalities. In Caret Mode,
    IE8 jumps to the end of the page if you click anywhere outside the
    document width. Many pages do not extend the full width of the browser
    window. They paint their document inside a max width. In the KB
    article you mention, and assuming you can maximize the window for IE8 so
    its frame width is wider than the document width, you should see blue
    sidebars on the left and right side of the article. When you are at the
    top of that article, click on either the left or right side in the blued
    area. Boom, the page is moved all the way to the bottom of the page.
    Clicking again in the blued sidebars, even at their top, does not move
    the page up; i.e., there is no toggling of this page move. This happens
    on all sites whose width does not extend to the width of the browser's
    window resulting in blank sidebars. If you accidentally click in the
    sidebar area, you're moved to the end of the page, and you'll have to
    use the scrollbar or shortcut keys to move back to the top.

    In addition, and when in Caret Mode, Ctrl+Home doesn't work anymore to
    move to the top of the page but instead moves to the bottom of the page.
    In non-Caret Mode, Ctrl+Home works as expected and moves you to the top
    of the page. In Caret Mode, and only if the insert point has not yet
    been established (i.e., you haven't clicked anywhere inside the
    document), Ctrl+Home continues to work as expected and takes you to the
    top of the page. However, if the insert point has been established (by
    clicking somewhere in the document so the "I" insert point is shown),
    Ctrl+Home moves you to the bottom of the page regardless of where was
    the current insert point. You aren't moved to the start of the section
    for the text where is the insert point. You aren't moved to the start
    of the web page. You are moved all the way down to the bottom of the
    web page.

    I've gotten so tired of IE8 jumping to the end of the page if I happen
    to click outside the width of the document (which isn't always apparent
    since the document's background is probably white and most times the
    sidebars are white) or Ctrl+Home jumping to the end of the page instead
    of to the top that I've had to discard using Caret Mode.

    Caret Mode is new to IE8. It needs work regarding the behaviors of
    clicking outside the document width and for some shortcut keys.
     
    VanguardLH, Sep 14, 2009
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  4. I didn't consider Caret Browsing for my example. I thought the point
    was about using input areas (e.g. HTML form fields). In any case
    Caret Browsing doesn't seem to affect the behaviour of the pointer
    in the suggestion box.



    Isn't that just moving out of a text area?


    What's wrong with that? I think you should use the Developer Toolbar
    Find tool (e.g. press F12 and Ctrl-Shift-B) and then click somewhere
    in the document to see why what you are describing can make sense.


    CB's quirky. Agreed. However, I suspect it has more to do with the page's
    construction than any real quirks in the design of the Caret Browser feature.
    E.g. I suspect it could be related to the use of <div> tags or in other examples
    the use of frames which make text and links that seems as if it should
    be continued not to be related at all. For example, I have almost given up
    a technique of selecting links that used to work reliably with previous versions
    of IE where I would doubleclick on a word near the link and then press Tab
    or Backtab expecting to see the "nearby" link selected. Evidently in many cases
    what the user perceives as "nearby" or "next" or "previous" bears no relation
    to what the Tab or Backtab will find. That is really frustrating and annoying IMO
    because you can lose your place as well as not get to the link you wanted.


    Robert
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    Robert Aldwinckle, Sep 15, 2009
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  5. JethroUK©

    VanguardLH Guest

    I didn't see mention that the OP was positioning the cursor inside of
    input controls, like textboxes.
    Perhaps but, again, I didn't see the OP mention input controls as being
    the problem area. Caret Mode is provided for more precise positioning
    of the insert point within the document text (not within its input
    controls) along with letting you use the keyboard to copy that document
    text instead of having to drag or double- or triple-click the mouse to
    select text.
    Because you have all of maybe 1 or 2 pixels from the right-edge of the
    last character in a line to position the mouse to get it to change to an
    insert point. That can be a very small target for some users depending
    on the screen resolution, screen size, and DPI setting.
    So your solution is to make users go into the code for a web page to
    select text from within that document?
    Okay, let's try a step by step description:
    - Position the cursor on the last character in a line of text (in the
    body of the document, not in some input control). Notice the mouse
    shows as the "I" insert point icon.
    - Slowly move the insert point to the right.
    - If you remain within an immediate few pixels away from the right edge
    of the last character, the mouse remains an insert point.
    - Once you move more than just a couple pixels away from the right edge
    of the last character in the line, the mouse switches from insert
    point mode to pointer mode (i.e., the mouse changes from "I" to an
    arrow).
    - Once you are beyond those couple of pixels away from the right edge of
    the last character, and when the mouse cursor switches from "I" to an
    arrow, look at just before the first character in the NEXT line. The
    "I" insert point has moved there.

    If the insert point is active (the "I" icon appears), moving the mouse
    more than a couple pixels more to the right past the right edge of the
    last character in a line moves the insert point to the start of the next
    line.

    If Caret Mode or input controls is not where the OP is describing his
    symptoms then he needs to be clearer by providing more details.
     
    VanguardLH, Sep 15, 2009
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