Just wonder, will everyone in China get a fully functional pirated Vista just like XP?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Áù¹«×Ó, Nov 6, 2006.

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    Áù¹«×Ó Guest

    I just browse one of the most popular discussion website of China.
    In both vista and DIY discussion groups, I saw many users posting threads
    regarding upgrading their hardware for the upcoming Windows Vista.

    However, nobody ever bother to mention the pricing issue. Due to my
    curiousity, I started a thread asking about the price of Vista.

    Not surprise, i got more than 70 replies in one day, basically there are
    only two type of answers "5 yuan (USD 0.60)" and "free download".

    Most of the Chinese users expect Vista just like the current XP, a free (or
    5 yuan) activation-free fully functional Volume License Edition to be
    available nationwide. Some even believe that the Shanghai Government will
    get them a free-copy !!

    Currently, Simplified Chinese Windows XP Professional SP2 Shanghai
    Government Volume License Edition is the most popular Windows in China. It
    can be downloaded from hundreds of Chinese website free of charge or can be
    bought for 5 to 10 yuan at street vendor. This happened after Microsoft sold
    Chinese Volume Licesing Windows to Shanghai Government in 2004, within 1
    month after the deal, Shanghai Government VL Windows and Product-keys flood
    the whole nation. Everybody so happy that Microsoft gives everyone a free
    Windows XP.

    Obviously, Microsoft doesn't really know how to do business in China
    (Microsoft should never sold ONE single copy of activation-free Windows to
    anyone in China). Before the Shanghai Government deal, most people in China
    use English VL Windows installed with Chinese langauge pack + Product key
    stolen from the US. Some using cracked retailed version of Chinese XP. These
    two XP definitely not as good as the Shanghai Government version.

    Sadly speaking, after Microsoft gave away an activation-free fully
    functional Chinese XP to China, those minority who purchased genunie Windows
    get mocked everywhere. And it's really bad to hear someting like, "hey, you
    stupid, why did pay for XP home? I got XP professional for free and it's
    more powerful than yours!!"

    As a result, Windows sales to home users dropped further. Shops selling
    genunie Microsoft product closed.

    In fact, I found that Microsoft quite torelate piracy in China. Microsoft
    didn't act aggressive at all to Chinese piracy in China. For example, WGA
    Notification doesn't apply to Simplified Chinese to avoid offending Chinese
    PC users.

    So now, most Chinese PC users believe that only idiot will pay for a genuine
    Windows, and they expect Microsoft gives away free software to everybody in
    China just like before.

    Many Chinese customers purchase a laptop with XP Home pre-installed, simply
    delete the OS and install the pirated Shanghai Government Volume Licesing
    Windows XP Pro because the rumors saying "XP Pro is 2 to 4 times more
    powerful than XP home".

    Well, Microsoft had blocked a number of Chinese VLKs early this year, but
    new keys keep "accidentally" leak out to the Chinese public....

    Just wonder, will everyone in China get a fully functional pirated Vista
    just like XP?
     
    Áù¹«×Ó, Nov 6, 2006
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  2. The Answer is NO, You Can Thank Microsoft for Their New SPP Technology, Just
    FYI.
     
    Kevin John Panzke, Nov 6, 2006
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    Developer Guest

    Quick question ... I thought the capital of China was Beijing. So I don't
    know what is meant by Shanghai Government.
     
    Developer, Nov 6, 2006
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  4. On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:47:18 -0000, Áù¹«×Ó


    Microsoft gave you the free Heroin with XP, now you must pay for your
    fix....
     
    Mark Gillespie, Nov 6, 2006
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    Gary Mount Guest

    No, about one third of them will not have any electricity to run their copy
    of vista, let alone have a computer.
     
    Gary Mount, Nov 6, 2006
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    Alias Guest

    Think of it this way. New York government versus Washington D.C.
    government. Make sense now?

    Alias
     
    Alias, Nov 6, 2006
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    G.T. Guest

    He's probably talking about the provincial government.

    Greg
     
    G.T., Nov 6, 2006
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    Alias Guest

    Are you saying that Vista isn't crackable? LOL! Who do you think you're
    fooling?

    Alias
     
    Alias, Nov 6, 2006
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    Gene Fitz Guest

    This is exactly what SPP is made for. Note a couple statements:

    "Before the Shanghai Government deal, most people in China use English VL
    Windows installed with Chinese langauge pack + Product key stolen from the
    US. Some using cracked retailed version of Chinese XP. These two XP
    definitely not as good as the Shanghai Government version."

    Notice the words STOLEN and CRACKED.

    "Just wonder, will everyone in China get a fully functional pirated Vista
    just like XP?"

    Notice the word PIRATED.

    The answer is no. Licensing has changed for Vista. Retail and OEM, only one
    active key at a time. And Activation is required. This rules out stolen keys
    and cracked copies. Even volume licensing has changed to where one volume
    license is no longer issued for multiple copies, from my understanding,
    though they may be sold under a "volume license," each satellite will have
    it's own license and still require activation, no later than 30 days after
    install before "reduced capability" starts.

    What you see above is the reason that SPP, WGA and WGAN were created. When
    someone starts to expect free pirated software, it means that stronger
    measures are needed to reduce it. People ask "Why does Windows have to have
    SPP?" That's why.

    Now, I don't care about those who are crying, "It costs too much, that is
    why we need pirated copies." And it makes no difference to me whether you
    agree or not with Microsoft's new anti-piracy push. Whether Microsoft has
    turned a blind eye to piracy before, is of little matter right now. What does
    matter is that Microsoft is taking a stand against it now.

    So, will you still be able to get Vista from a street vender? Sure, you can
    get it from a street vender all day! Will it be fully functional? Sure, for
    at least 30 days, before it goes into reduced capability.

    Looks like those retail and OEM stores are going to be opening back up. And
    a lot more people will be "The Stupid people who actually payed for it."

    Cold? Maybe. Heartless? Maybe. Honest? Definately.
     
    Gene Fitz, Nov 6, 2006
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  10. Per Gene Fitz:
    Would that imply that VISTA cannot be installed on a PC that is not connected to
    the Internet?
     
    (PeteCresswell), Nov 6, 2006
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    Jane C Guest

    Not at all. If a computer has no internet connection, a telephone call to
    activate would be required.
     
    Jane C, Nov 6, 2006
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    Alias Guest

    It still doesn't explain how MS and other activating crazy companies can
    get away with assuming their paying customers are thieves until proved
    otherwise. If you think someone is stealing from you, call the proper
    legal authorities. Putting paying customers in the crossfire between MS
    and the pirates is unconscionable. In most civilized countries, one is
    innocent until proved guilty by a court of law, not some flaky software
    program that has been known to produce false positives. Even a 1% false
    positive rate means millions of computers and millions of very unhappy
    paying customers.

    To sum, up MS, through its unconscionable "anti piracy" programs, has
    set itself up as judge, jury and the prosecution. There is no defense
    lawyer for each and every customer that is accused of being a thief
    until they prove otherwise.

    Next, they are planning to take over Linux so don't give me that
    supercilious crap about MS' way or the highway.

    Why wasn't MS bitching when people were copying 95/98/W2K left and
    right? Why? Because they wanted to saturate the market and set
    themselves up as a monopoly. Now that they've done that, they all of a
    sudden they get religious about piracy. Give me a break!

    Alias
     
    Alias, Nov 7, 2006
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    MAP Guest

    I bet the Chinese won't have to deal with WGA!
     
    MAP, Nov 7, 2006
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    NewsHound Guest

    Very interesting! I knew the situation with pirated MS Windows software
    in China was bad. But I had no idea it was this bad.
     
    NewsHound, Nov 7, 2006
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    caver1 Guest

    There is no reason for theft. the above was theft. I also agree with
    Alias. go after the ones that are stealing. MS said itself that software
    should not be patented, only copy writable. SO if that is the case than
    fair use under copywrite states that if I payed for it I can use it
    myself, No questions asked. Now if I want to break that and give it to
    someone else than I am guilty and should pay. but if I want to move it
    from one source to another for my own use that is fair.
     
    caver1, Nov 7, 2006
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    arachnid Guest

    You should also be able to run it in as many Virtual Machines as you want
    on your own hardware. The ability to run on simulated hardware requires no
    technical effort on Microsoft's part - it's innate to any OS. They're not
    adding value, they're taking it away and charging you to get it back.

    That's just plain greed.
     
    arachnid, Nov 7, 2006
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    Áù¹«×Ó Guest

    just now, i found the VERY first thread about downloading RTM Vista in that
    website.
    see the picture that i've captured..

    http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5241/vistadlll5.jpg

    the moderator of the discussion group is going to verify the download before
    forwarding to other chinese websites nationwide.
     
    Áù¹«×Ó, Nov 7, 2006
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    Gene Fitz Guest

    They assume the same thing that the store does when you buy something. You go
    to the register, pay, then in most cases, have to show your receipt on the
    way out. It is no different than buying a car. Before you drive it off the
    lot, you have to prove you bought it. It is no different than when you get
    stopped for speeding, you have to prove that you have insurance.

    It would be nice if the world worked that way. Everyone was honest, and
    everyone could be trusted, but the world doesn't work that way Alias. You buy
    it, you prove you bought it, then you are able to use it. You put the key
    code in, you click activate, then you are free to use it. You let them know,
    "Hey I bought it!"

    See, the issue is that you and it seems about a dozen others expect that the
    system won't work. Well, I can tell you from my experience that when I have
    loaded vista onto my computers, both X64 on my desktop, and X86 on my
    notebook (with two different activation keys) That they have installed with
    no issues. They have activated, both manually and automatically (in three day
    activation), with no problem.

    And if there is an issue, it will be no different than XP activation, you
    call, give your activation key, tell them what your issue is, then they give
    you a new key, or allow you to re-activate. Now, I know I am no rocket
    scientist, I am no astro-physicst, but that sounds pretty simple to me..

    I think you people are nuking this. I think you are making a big mountain
    out of a small bump. As I said before, if there are issues with SPP, I firmly
    believe they will be very few, no more than the issues they have with WGA
    now. You know, the one you have to validate before you perform updates?

    It isn't hard unless you make it hard. But I will say this again, as i have
    said in about 5 other posts on this subject. You have a choice whether to use
    it or not. If SPP is so bad, don't buy vista. Win XP will still have support
    for a while.
     
    Gene Fitz, Nov 7, 2006
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    Gene Fitz Guest

    What part of "One active key" don't you understand? But hey, download it! and
    in 30 days when it goes reduced capability, you will have to uninstall, and
    put your hacked XP back on..
    It's your life.
     
    Gene Fitz, Nov 7, 2006
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    Alias Guest

    In the over 60 years I have been on this planet, this has never happened
    to me.
    Can't copy a car so, yes, it is different.
    The sales reps where you buy cars have such a short memory?
    Um, these examples are apples/oranges. When I fire up my computer, I am
    not "speeding" or doing anything to provoke a cop -- not Microsoft -- to
    ask me to prove *anything*.
    Not in the four countries I have lived in. You buy it; you use it. No
    one comes round your house, electronically or otherwise, to spy on you.
    A key starts the car. The button on my case starts my computer.
    MS admits a 1% false positive rate. That's millions, chum.
    Sounds like wasting my time to me and it phone activations are "pretty
    simple" and always go through, what the hell is the point?
    MS backed off on WGA. Why? Because people don't like to be spied on.
    With MS now taking over Linux, we have no choice. Do you also think that
    to be hip and groovy?

    Fact is MS is using their paying customers to catch thieves. This is
    wrong, no matter how you want to spin it.

    Alias
     
    Alias, Nov 7, 2006
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