Lost all Star Ratings; on WMP 10.0

Discussion in 'Windows Media Player' started by Starless, Apr 24, 2007.

  1. Starless

    Starless Guest

    I have lost all my star ratings....shazam they just faded to light blue
    stars. ?? anyone know what causes yellow-ratings to vanish or how they're
    restored. I have 6,500 songs; each was rated. They've been there for a long
    time, but when I turn on the system today....nutt'en.

    Thanks

    //Brian
     
    Starless, Apr 24, 2007
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    Dale Guest

    That's some of the no "intrinsic value" data that is in your database and
    doesn't matter at all if it is lost.

    Well, I don't really believe that your years of customizations to your
    library has no intrinsic value. That's why I created my MetaData backup
    program. It will backup your stars and other data.
    http://www.dalepreston.com/Blog/2007/03/windows-media-player-metadata-backup.html.

    Alternatively, if it is only stars that you're worried about, you can
    configure Windows Media Player to store the stars in the files. Then, when
    your library database crashes, the stars still exist in the files and when
    you rebuild the database, the stars rating will be there. If your files are
    shared, though, between multiple users of your PC, then that is not a good
    solution.

    Dale
     
    Dale, Apr 24, 2007
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  3. Starless

    Starless Guest

    Thank you, Dale. Yet another reason to move to MAC. Vista is my other major
    reason.
     
    Starless, Apr 24, 2007
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    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    That word still doesn't mean what you think it means...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic
    That "which is wholly independent of any other object, action or
    consequence" - such as further rating or editing. The moment you start
    editing or rating things, you have extrinsic/added value. =)
     
    zachd [MSFT], Apr 24, 2007
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  5. Starless

    Starless Guest

    You may have a better comand of the English language, but you've completely
    missed the POINT
     
    Starless, Apr 24, 2007
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    Dale Guest

    From your own reference:

    "Intrinsic describes a characteristic or property of some thing or action
    which is essential and specific to that thing or action,"

    The "thing" I was referring to is the database. The database has intrinsic
    value as soon as you add, play or rate or edit any track. The data added to
    the database by any of those actions become essential and specific to that
    "thing" which is the database.

    When first built, as soon as the file as built but before any tracks are
    added, I would agree that there is no intrinsic value.

    Even adding tracks by monitoring folders or searching your drives adds
    intrinsic value. Now there is something to be lost if you rebuild the
    database - even if all the data is contained in the files and would be
    recovered if the database is rebuilt: your customers' time is that intrinsic
    value.

    The time it takes your customers to add files or search their drive is
    essential and specific to the database. The database is useless if they do
    not take those steps. The time taken to perform those steps is specific to
    the database.

    I absolutely understand what intrinsic means, Zach. I have a very good
    command of the English language.

    Dale
    --
    Dale Preston
    MCAD C#
    MCSE, MCDBA
     
    Dale, Apr 24, 2007
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    Dale Guest

    And before you point out the statement from your reference about the weight
    of an object being extrinsic - remember this line:

    "An intrinsic property is a property that an object or a thing has of
    itself, independently of other things, including its context."

    Thus, a ball's weight in one atmosphere is intrinsic because you've included
    the context.

    The weight without context is extrinsic - though this is really symantics
    because the "one atmosphere" context would be implied or assumed if no other
    information was provided and the conversation was held anywhere but NASA.

    When you include the context of your customers' environment and usage, the
    database has intrinsic value.
    --
    Dale Preston
    MCAD C#
    MCSE, MCDBA
     
    Dale, Apr 24, 2007
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    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    And any further *editing* is by an external force/influence.
    It can (and does) happen in the background, which further divorces "their
    time" from "intrinsic value".
    Background processing...
    Then act like it. =)
     
    zachd [MSFT], Apr 24, 2007
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    Starless Guest

    Hi Zachd & Dale....do you both agree that once lost, there is NO way to
    restore the custom ratings that I've spend so much time building. ?? Please
    understand that I am a mere mortal and pedestrian technologist. If I can
    re-store these ratings, easy to understand and follow instructions are most
    appreciated. Thank you.

    Bummed out in Sunny S-Cal. Brian
     
    Starless, Apr 24, 2007
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    Dale Guest

    While Zach and I will always disagree about whether your library database has
    intrinsic value, you and I can agree that my metadata backup program can at
    least prevent the problem in the future.

    I am working on a modification to the program that will allow you to select
    the metadata elements to save which will allow the program to produce much
    smaller backup files. That might make it even more palatable to do backups
    more often. Until then, I suggest using it as is from time to time.

    Dale
    --
    Dale Preston
    MCAD C#
    MCSE, MCDBA
     
    Dale, Apr 24, 2007
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    Dale Guest

    Negative. Editing a database is an intrinsic operation to the database.
    The edits become part of the database and not something external.
    Consider this scenario: I walk to my PC and start Windows Media Player to
    listen to music. I immediately detect that the Windows Media Player library
    database is corrupt and needs to be rebuilt. I close WMP, rename the folder
    as required, and then start WMP again. Now I start WMP searching my folders
    to add music. This can take from a few minutes to perhaps 10 minutes on my
    PCs with my current library. The task that I am set on is to listen to
    music. I am almost always going to sit there and wait for the task to
    complete. I certainly cannot complete the task and I cannot enjoy the
    benefits of a working Media Player database until the task is complete. The
    time is consumed and passed - even if I happen to surf the net for 10 minutes
    while it is happening. Value is lost.
    Background processing still denies me access to the benefits of the
    application. The database is not usable. Intrinsic value was lost because
    the data is not an outside influence. It is an integral part of the
    database.
    Apparently you would rather argue semantics than to address the fact that
    the Windows Media Player database is unreliable and that your customers
    deserve better.

    You have never commented on why Windows Media Player does not use SQL Server
    2005 Express Edition or SQL Server 2005 Compact Edition. Both would work
    much better, much more reliably, and much more openly than the current
    Windows Media Player library database.

    Dale
     
    Dale, Apr 24, 2007
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    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    If they were stored as global Star ratings (settable in WMP's
    Tools:Options:Library), you may be able to restore them when they're
    found/played. If they were only kept in the library, they're probably gone.
    I would heartily recommend the Ratings Migration Power-Toy from
    http://wmplugins.com , which can be used to save the ratings to the files
    (and read them back out when you need to restore them). I regularly use the
    Ratings power-toy when moving between systems.

    The only real logical reason for the shazam here would theoretically mean a
    corrupt library, which should be reflected in the library having reset back
    to nothing and then having to be rebuilt.
     
    zachd [MSFT], Apr 25, 2007
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    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    That's one way to interpret it, given an external force (user) using an
    external tool (player as editor). That seems a real strange stretch,
    especially given that you're attempting to interpret what I said and thus
    presumably going by my interpretation of 'intrinsic'.
    Why would I know anything about the database? Seriously?
    Why would you think I would have any insight whatsoever on that? Seriously?
    I'm not part of that team, not part of those decisions, could not be vaguely
    construed as speaking for, on behalf of, or
    more-than-novice-level-knowledgeable-within-the-field there.

    I'm in the newsgroups in good faith speaking for myself. You do not respect
    that. I've made some good faith gestures here and there, but the net net is
    that I don't trust you, you are visibly not operating in good faith, and
    that's going to chill any discussion. I'm not remotely involved with the
    library and never have been. Using me to represent any aspect of any thing
    on the library -- it's breathtaking: rude, repellent to others, and dumb.
    =)

    Hey, let's help people. You do your thing, I do mine. <3 (And if you can
    manage to leave me out of 'your thing' -- hey, bonus points!)

    -Z
     
    zachd [MSFT], Apr 25, 2007
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    Starless Guest

    Hi Z -- three follow-on questions.

    1- do you know if the "ratings migration" app is supported on ver 10.0? the
    description says ver 9.0

    2- is there something like a service pack II for ver 10.0 or what other key
    plug-ins/enhancements do you recommend?

    3- does ver 11.00 obviate the need for the above mentioned "fixes" and more?


    I have loaded WMP 11.0 on one other system; not my primary. i do not like
    the new interface..its .way too clunky. i've felt the same about every new
    version of MS software, ever sense i learned what to do at a DOS promtp.

    Cheers --B
     
    Starless, Apr 25, 2007
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    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    1: Yep. I use it regularly with WMP11.
    2: ? I'm not sure what you mean. There's a great list of WMP
    updates/patches here:
    http://home.arcor.de/carsthom/updates/wmp10_updates.html
    3: WMP11 would generally include any fixes made to WMP10.

    No worries, if you like WMP9, keep using that. The Ratings Migration
    powertoy would work everywhere.
     
    zachd [MSFT], Apr 26, 2007
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    Starless Guest

    Z - I promise to go away soon/forever.

    I installed Ratings Migration and tried to perform a capture/restore
    verification test. I first modified ratings for a few song (A-mods), saved
    them, then modified again (B-Mods) and then hit restore...expecting that my
    orginal A-mods would appear. that was not the case. ??

    I regularily back up My Documents (including my music)....so, are the
    necessary Ratings Migration file(s) being backed up too. ? and, is there an
    standard WMP 10 file that I can back-up in order to restore ratings from. ?
    if so, what is its name...i will add this to you backup instructions.

    Cheers -B

    thanks - brian
     
    Starless, Apr 26, 2007
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    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    I don't know how it handles old ratings versus new ratings in a file. What
    you're saying would appear to be intentional, as the chances that a large
    set of ratings were all accidentally created would seem to be very remote.
    But it is an unsupported Power Toy either way. =)

    I don't pay *that* specific of attention to the library so couldn't answer
    your question. If you're using the Ratings Migration plug-in, then I'm
    certain that what you're asking for here is backed up - I do this all the
    time when moving between systems.
    The ratings with that tool are stored to the files, so they are restored
    when you rerun the Migration plug-in.

    You could try to also back-up the WMDB file--
    http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#medialibrary
    but that's not very portable between systems, so if you start solely having
    details in there, it's going to be a headache over the long long term.
     
    zachd [MSFT], Apr 27, 2007
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