Lost passwords

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by Bikini Browser, Nov 2, 2007.

  1. Hello Everyone.. I hope everyone is having a really nice day...

    I have a big problem.. I am taking over a new network because the last
    network administrator was killed in a car crash. It is a small company and
    every one trusted the old administrator. The problem is that he took all
    the passwords to his grave with him.

    I was told that there is an open source tool that I can boot to a CD Rom and
    it will tell the passwords on the box I am booting too. Does anyone know
    where I can get a tool like that.

    OR does anyone have any other ideas on how to solve this problem?
    Otherwise, I will have to rebuild the entire network and all hte Computers
    too.

    Please help me in this time of crisis.

    Bikini Browser
    San Juan Puerto Rico
     
    Bikini Browser, Nov 2, 2007
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  2. Meinolf Weber, Nov 2, 2007
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    Dave Guest

    Dave, Nov 2, 2007
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  4. You have already been given some good information.
    But to add a little.

    Are any encrypted files involved?
    If so and you reset the password, access to them may be permanently
    lost.
     
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Nov 2, 2007
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    HeyBub Guest

    You can probably sue his estate.
     
    HeyBub, Nov 2, 2007
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  6. For what?
    There is nothing the estate has that belongs to the company and there
    is no company policy broken, at least going by what the OP stated.
     
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Nov 2, 2007
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  7. Condolences on your loss.

    As noted, you can reset the passwords externally, but also if encryption
    was used, doing this will instantly, permanently and irrevocably deny anyone
    access to the encrypted files. And it's usually high-value data that is
    encrypted.

    So if you need in, but also think that encryption *might* have been used,
    take the drive out of that box, clone it to another new or bare disk, and
    set the original aside safely in an antistatic bag.

    Work with the clone, and break the passwords on the clone. Then, if you
    have full access to the files, you're done and you have a spare drive.
    All is well.

    If you don't have full access.... you still have the chance to try to
    re-image and try to guess passwords. The key point there is that there are
    still things you can do, and you haven't actually permanently lost any data.
    Also importantly, it won't look like *you* screwed up, and did catch another
    potential disaster before it happened.

    As to costs for this, where I am a 250 gig drive is about $70, and you can
    use a free demo version of Acronis TrueImage to do the cloning.
    www.acronis.com . The task of moving the drives and making the images
    will take you perhaps a couple of hours, all up, the first time. Much of
    that will be waiting, the image itself often takes around 30 minutes.

    HTH
    -pk
     
    Patrick Keenan, Nov 3, 2007
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    HeyBub Guest

    If an employee burnt down the company and died in the fire, the company
    could march against his assets.

    Liability for malicious acts does not terminate with death.

    And, as to whether the employee's actions were malicious, well, it's the
    company's word against nobody. Somebody screws my company, I'm gonna make
    life miserable for him (if he's still alive), his family, and everybody he
    ever knew. Blood from their rag-wrapped feet dropping on the snow as the
    wander the wastes, hungry and displaced is my goal.
     
    HeyBub, Nov 3, 2007
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  9. Is this an Active Domain network where the password of the domain
    administrator is not known or just workgroup computers?? If it is I know a
    fairly easy way to gain access to the domain again even if you do not want
    to change the domain administrator password. For local computer
    administrator passwords the tools mentioned will work by changing
    administrator passwords. The first link below may be worth a try if you
    actually need to know the passwords and the password was stored with a lm
    hash also which may be very likely.

    Steve

    http://www.loginrecovery.com/
    http://www.petri.co.il/forgot_administrator_password.htm
     
    Steven L Umbach, Nov 3, 2007
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  10. "If an employee burnt down the company..."
    Not relevant in this case.

    "Liability for malicious acts..."
    No evidence for that but there is evidence to the contrary.

    "...company's word against nobody."
    Incorrect.
    The estate and the OP since the OPs comments are now on semi permanent
    record.

    "Somebody screws my company..."
    It seems this is also not relevant.
    It seems more likely the company is paying for bad policies at worst.

    --
    Jupiter Jones [MVP]
    http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
    http://www.dts-l.org


    If an employee burnt
    down the company and died in the fire, the company
     
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Nov 3, 2007
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    Paul Adare Guest

    Note that this only applies if the data was encrypted using a local and not
    a domain account. Password resets on domain accounts do not prevent access
    to the DPAPI protected private key material.
     
    Paul Adare, Nov 3, 2007
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    Al Dunbar Guest

    I agree. If the recently deceased admin was simply doing his best and NOT
    deliberately disobeying policy or established practice regarding the
    management of passwords, I seriously doubt that his estate could be sued.
    Rather, the owners of the company are the ones that have brought this on
    themselves by not establishing appropriate policy and procedures.

    /Al
     
    Al Dunbar, Nov 12, 2007
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    Al Dunbar Guest

    And before you forget the lesson entirely, try to figure out how to avoid
    this happening when you leave suddenly! ;-) Not that you'll die, or anything
    like that - you might just win a lottery.

    /Al
     
    Al Dunbar, Nov 12, 2007
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  14. Nice opening line...
     
    Confuse The Newbie, Nov 12, 2007
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