Low Disk Space in Recovery "D" Vista OS

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Mart, Aug 19, 2007.

  1. Mart

    davidjchuang Guest

    Thank you. What you are saying NOW makes all the sense in the world.
    It is because you elaborated and back up what you said. Now I know you
    objected to compressing files/data. I accept that. Now you elaborated on
    "where" and "how to", anyone, beginners or otherwise, will have the
    directions needed. Those were my points. I'm dropping this subect, you
    won't hear about it anymore.
     
    davidjchuang, Apr 3, 2008
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  2. David

    Check that you do have two physical drives by right clicking on 'Computer'
    in the start menu, and selecting 'Manage'. In the window that opens, click
    on 'Disk Management' under the 'Storage' heading.

    If you do indeed have two drives installed, they will show as drive 0 and
    drive 1.

    If you can see only drive 0, you will see that it is partitioned into two
    parts (C and D)

    Some manufacturers (Sony is one of them) do send out machines where the
    drive has been partitioned with a reasonably large C drive, and a much
    larger D drive such that the user can save large multimedia files.

    However, in most cases, the D drive is very small, around 10gb. This means
    that the D drive is in fact the recovery partition and should not be
    touched.

    Backup programs are written to look for any drive letter other than the
    letter being used for the boot drive. So, if the only other letter available
    is tagged for the recovery partition, it will be selected. Backup programs
    don't care what is on the target drive, or how much space is actually
    available..

    In my opinion, the 'fault' lies squarely with the computer manufacturers,
    pumping out computers which look to be well specified but in reality are
    only 'adequate'.

    --
    Mike Hall - MVP
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    Mike Hall - MVP, Apr 3, 2008
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  3. Mart

    Bob Guest

    What "smiling faces"?

    You may be correct that /your/ /D drive/ /on/ /your/ /laptop/ is not a
    recovery drive. It is not however, as far as I can tell a separate hard
    drive or a bootable drive. It's a partition on a single hard drive and both
    C and D occupy the same physical drive. Therefore, using the D partition for
    backups is not a good idea because if your hard drive crashes you will not
    be able to access your backups. Mike's advice would apply to you as well.

    Regarding your statement: "I said in no uncertain term that if his OS is
    same as mine"
    This is where you made a mistake. It's not a question of the OS. It's a
    question of the hardware configuration of the OPs computer.
     
    Bob, Apr 3, 2008
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  4. Mart

    davidjchuang Guest

    Thank you, Mike. You are right in both counts. I do NOT have 2 hard
    drives, just 1 partitioned to C and D, and the D drive has only 10 GB.
    As to the " not to be touched ", I don't really have a choice. There are
    2 options on files backup. One is to sit by the computer for 3-4 hours
    feeding the damn thing with cds ,which ,by the way , failed twice and
    never finished the operation because I aborted it. I aborted it because
    1/2 way to the 3rd disk, it asked for reinserting the 1st.disk, when I
    did that, it said either "no disk ", or not the right disk, or asked me
    for a blank disk if I don't want to write on that disk. The vicious
    cycle never ended!
    The 2nd option is to backup to D drive (I don't have an external
    drive.) When I started a manual backup, system would ask if I choose to
    backup to CD/DVD E: drive ,or D: drive. So, I was not doing anything
    crazy, ** the system offers the 2 choices **. And I have been using D
    for scheduled automatic backup ever since. I hope I have answered fully.
     
    davidjchuang, Apr 3, 2008
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  5. Mart

    davidjchuang Guest

    Obviously you don't see those smiling faces. I AM looking at them no
    as I am typing this response. 1 is at (C ), 1 at (D) and 1 a (E), all i
    the same position. It must have something to do with " :" symbol, a
    they're over and covering up those symbols
    Anyway, thank you for pointing out my mistake; using wrong terminology
    and misconception
    As to the D drive issue, Mike asked the same question, and I replied
    If you don't mind, kindly look at that one, and perhaps your opinion
    Thank you
     
    davidjchuang, Apr 3, 2008
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  6. Mart

    frizzie Guest

    Hi David

    You wrote
    "D: local drive is where my laptop uses for "files backup", and it ha
    9.99 GB of space,and I have 4.38 GB left. If you have the same OS as
    do, this IS the one you CAN TOUCH. You can delete files you don't want
    if you know what you are doing. If you don't, and since you have only 1
    of space left, there is one quick fix --- for now. It's by compressin
    what are in the D drive.

    I have a 3 month old HP Pavilion Elite running Vista 64 bit Hom
    Premium edition with SP1 installed. I see that there is only 1.01 G
    free of 10.5 GB left on the FACTORY_IMAGE D drive (the C drive has it
    own partition as does D, E, F. G and I have 4 removable drive; one i
    an external as well) I have not received any auto alerts re: low dis
    space for the D drive -- the amount of space used caught my eye

    My question is will your COMPRESSION fix work on the 64 bit machine a
    it does on your 32 bit? If so, what happens once the file is compressed
    I mean do I have to decompress it if I need to system restore? This i
    all very confusing to me

    Thanx for your posts. I'm learning albeit slowly. I think I need t
    buy a Vista for Dummies book, if there is one

    -frizzi
     
    frizzie, May 17, 2008
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  7. Mart

    AJR Guest

    Frizzie - There is not need to "tinker" with the restore partition - space
    wise or it's files (do not save data to the partition). The restore
    partition is already compressed and if necessasry requires the "extra" space
    to perform a restoration.

    Check your documentation. HP usually provides an utility to copy the
    restore partition and create a restore CD/DVD - in which case you can
    recapture the D partition

    Major problem with restore partition and disks is that restoration is to the
    state of the computer at time of purchse - meaning that application/data
    added or installed over a period of time are lost unless backups are being
    maintained.

    data.
     
    AJR, May 17, 2008
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  8. Hi Guys,

    I am using Vista Ultimate 64bit on HP Pavilion dv9205TX laptop.

    I do get a notification for low disk space in Recovery partition (E:)
    I have a primary partition (G:) of size 1.08 GB and I never used it. I
    it possible to join this partition with E:? If so, how can I do it? If
    delete the partition G:, will the free space get allocated to C: or i
    there an option to choose the partition to which I want to allocate th
    free space?

    Thanks in advance for your help.

    Cheers,
    Mahesh
     
    mahesh_australia, May 18, 2008
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  9. Mart

    frizzie Guest

    Hi AJR -- Thanx for your reply. I'm not gonna muck with the recover
    partition D. In fact, I think I'll forget about it. What I do need to d
    is make a binder with all the "how to" recover/restore information

    I have one more question -- Even tho I've made recovery disks, would i
    be wise to backup (onto my external drive L) not only the C drive but
    one time D and then E (where I keep my personal files) and then d
    incremental backups of C and E? I'm using Acronis software to backup. I
    this backup overkill

    Thanx again

    -frizzi
     
    frizzie, May 18, 2008
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  10. Mart

    AJR Guest

    Frizzie - As I mentioned in my previous post - recovery partitions and/or
    disks represent the installation at that period of time. The longer you have
    the computer the more changes you made are lost on restoration.

    The simplest backup - providing you have the Vista dvd and program disks, is
    to just backup data. Restoration is complex since the OS and individual
    programs must be reinstalled along with the data.

    Having said all that - you cannot "go wrong" with Acronis - I use it on two
    desktops (one belongs to "She Who Must Be Obeyed - commomly called wife and
    under no circumstances is THAT computer to go down!) and one laptop

    Acronis is all you need - it will backup on schedule to a second internal
    drive or external drive and, if you desire, it will create a restore
    partiton and keeps it up to date with incremental or differential backups.

    Acronis will also create a bootable disk which contains a copy of Acronis to
    restore a dead computer. In addition, if you have Acronis create a recovery
    partition, it will modify the master boot record so that, at boot, you will
    have the option to do a restore by hitting a "F" key - usually F11.

    Even though you create a restore partition, always have backups to a
    separate internal HD or an external HD - for obvious reasons - if you lose
    your primary drive with a restore partion you are in trouble.

    BTW - if you are using Acronis I would not backup the "D" drive/partition.
    One other thing - do not confuse drives versus partitions - as you probably
    know, you can have one drive divided into several partitions e.g. C, D and E
    or three separate drives C, D, and E.
     
    AJR, May 19, 2008
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  11. Mart

    frizzie Guest

     
    frizzie, May 25, 2008
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  12. Mart

    ericwg888 Guest

    ok im about to give it a try...finally. i think this is good advice to
    try..so I shall. thanks for all you great imput in this matter.

    Eric
     
    ericwg888, May 12, 2009
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  13. Mart

    kimjiongs Guest

    Sorry to reply here, I know this thread has been a long time, but to this problem it is better to choose 3rd party partition software, like AOMEI Partition Assistant, Gparted, Partition Wizard.But AOMEI Partition Assistant could directly allocate free space from other partition to the destination partition: http://www.extend-partition.com/help/allocate-free-space.html
     
    kimjiongs, Oct 12, 2012
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