Mail vs Live Mail vs Live Mail Desktop vs Outlook Express

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Mail' started by Big Al Mintaka, Dec 27, 2007.

  1. Hi Everyone,
    I'm just getting Vista running on my systems and now I've run into huge,
    heaping, steaming mound of confusion regarding all of these email
    applications.

    1. Can Outlook Express be used in Vista?

    2. If it can't and I have to use one of the other email clients, which one
    is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista: Mail, Live Mail, or
    Live Mail Desktop?

    3. What's the difference between Live Mail, Live Mail Desktop, and Live Mail
    Hotmail?

    4. I have tried Live Mail already, but it kept hanging up every time I tried
    to do something with the message folders I imported from Outlook Express.
    Finally I gave up, uninstalled it, and went back to Mail.

    I do have a large number of messages in those folders. Outlook Express sure
    has no problems opening and closing them. Are these persistent lockups a bug
    in Live Mail, or is there some way it should be configured to handle a large
    message store?

    I'm not exactly crazy about Mail either, but at least it works.

    Thanks to all for your time and patience in reading this message! Have a
    good one,

    Big Al Mintaka

    Systems:
    Two Dell Dimensions, 8300 and 8400
    3,2 GHz 1GB RAM
    HD Internal (2 each) 250GB, ~150GB free
    HD USB2 (4 each) 350GB, ~200GB free
    DVD+/-RW NEC 3450A, 3530A ATA
    Graphics ATI Radeon 9800XT 256MB
    Linksys WRT54GS wireless router
    OS: Vista Ultimate
    SW: The usual Windows crap
     
    Big Al Mintaka, Dec 27, 2007
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  2. Big Al Mintaka

    Dave Guest

    1. No.

    2. Windows Live Mail Desktop has been renamed to Windows Live Mail. WLM is
    the apparent replacement for Windows Mail. Windows Mail was provided with
    Vista. Windows Live Mail has been released since, and has been updated a few
    times.

    3. Live Hotmail is, well... Hotmail... the web mail email service, not a
    program.
     
    Dave, Dec 27, 2007
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  3. Big Al Mintaka

    Guest Guest

    No, it won't work under Vista.
    Windows Mail is the one that came with Vista. Microsoft has decided
    to replace it with Windows Live Mail, which you can download here:

    http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

    I think there's another program with the same name available elsewhere,
    though. I'm not familiar with Live Mail Desktop.
    I don't know.
    You may find it easier to import the messages into Windows Mail, and then
    let Windows Live Mail get them there.

    <http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/email/import-dbx-files-outlook-express-windows-mail-vista-86458.html>
     
    Guest, Dec 28, 2007
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  4. Big Al Mintaka

    mac Guest

    <snip>

    There appears to be a misconception developing here in the replies to your
    post, regarding the section that I quote.

    With many Millions of copies of Vista already on the street and in the
    stores, all around the world, there is only one answer to that question, it
    has to be Windows Mail.

    Just because WLM(D) has been developed to enable the 'Live' element and
    bring back Hotmail availability, does not mean it is a Superior Program,
    replacement (or an upgrade), it means that it has a revenue model, while WM
    does not have such, (being part of the OS), and subsequently little
    resources appear to be being used to improve its performance, sadly. It took
    over 9 months of nagging by MVP's etc (Particularly Dr Steve Cochran MVP),
    to get a fix released for the undeletable/stuck messages bug.

    I hope that now that WLM is out of beta, that the resources that it as
    hogged for the past two years, are now made available to the refining of WM,
    (dream on)?
    IMHO
     
    mac, Dec 28, 2007
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  5. I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
    It doesn't make good business sense for Microsoft to support two
    similar email clients indefinitely. There hasn't been one inkling to suggest
    that Microsoft will support Windows Mail more actively now that WLM
    is out the door. Even post-release we are seeing more Microsoft
    presence in the WLM newsgroup than we ever saw in this WM newsgroup.
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Dec 28, 2007
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  6. Big Al Mintaka

    mac Guest

    Robert FYI:

    WLM was WLMD when it was in beta testing, see the newsgroup name that it
    still uses:
    microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
    HTH?
    More naming confusion for the newbie!!
     
    mac, Dec 28, 2007
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  7. Big Al Mintaka

    daimoh Guest

    some nasty bugs with contacts forced me to move to WLM, which I kind o
    regret now, as the contacts used by WLM aren't handled (by what appear
    to be) natively by vista - so when i click on the "contacts" folder i
    explorer, i don't see WLM contacts, I see the good (buggy) old Window
    Mail.

    Further, there doesn't seem to be a technique to easily import m
    contacts which were nicely organised into subfolders and keep tha
    grouping (how can you auto create a group from a contacts folder?)

    Bit of a mess if you ask me - is anyone at MS paying attention to thi
    mess? WLM seems a bit cobbled together if you ask me..
     
    daimoh, Dec 28, 2007
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  8. Big Al Mintaka

    David Webb Guest

    Now I'm confused. I was under the impression that WLM was a webmail client app
    similar to Gmail and Hotmail. If that's the case, how can it be called a
    replacement for Windows Mail when it doesn't physically replace it?

    I started to install WLM, but decided not to based on the content of its
    companion conditions, which dwells on many cost issues for the user.

    I think that Microsoft blew it in both apps. I'm looking into Mozilla's
    Thunderbird as a workaround app for Vista users.

     
    David Webb, Dec 28, 2007
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  9. Big Al Mintaka

    Guest Guest

    Windows Live Mail replaces the mail functions of Windows Mail, but
    doesn't install on top of it. Unlike Windows Mail, it can also connect
    to webmail servers. I think there's another program with the same
    name though available elsewhere, and a third program that also has
    the abbreviation WLM.

    The Windows Live Mail Microsoft is switching to is available here:

    http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

     
    Guest, Dec 28, 2007
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  10. Windows Live Mail does everything Windows Mail does (POP/IMAP/newsgroups),
    plus it adds compatibility with Hotmail HTTP accounts.

    I don't know what you mean by "companion conditions" or "cost issues".
    I've been running the latest version of WLM practically 24/7, and there
    are no costs or required companion apps.
    --
    Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


     
    Gary VanderMolen, Dec 28, 2007
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  11. Although the contact import mechanism in WLM does not preserve
    groups, it is easy enough to set up groups once the contacts are
    imported.

    We will probably have to wait for the next version of WLM to have
    Windows contacts and WLM contacts synced together.
    I don't have an issue with strictly using WLM contacts for now.
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Dec 28, 2007
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  12. Big Al Mintaka

    the Knuths Guest

    ..
    Gary, do you think that Windows Live Mail will be included in the first
    Service Pack?

    Ricardo
     
    the Knuths, Dec 29, 2007
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  13. No, unfortunately not.
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Dec 29, 2007
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  14. Big Al Mintaka

    mac Guest

    Well that would have been a perfect opportunity?

    Maybe it will be included with the *next* new Windows System, after Vista
    :)
     
    mac, Dec 29, 2007
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  15. Big Al Mintaka

    David Webb Guest

    Comments inline....

    Are the message mail boxes (Inbox, Sent Items, etc) maintained on the user's
    system or are they on Microsoft's server?

    How about the user's Contacts list....where is that info kept?
    When user's click on the setup file (WLinstaller.exe) they are presented with
    links to Terms of Use and Privacy Statements. These are the companions
    conditions I referred to. The cost issues are addressed in the Terms of Use
    document. As an example, here's a few quotes from the cost section:

     
    David Webb, Dec 29, 2007
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  16. bonsoir ,je ne peux pas avboir des contacts avec ce groupe ,je ne parle pas
    anglais.MERCI Gerard
     
    bresolin.gerard, Dec 29, 2007
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