Memory filling up too fast?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by ZeonStar, Oct 30, 2008.

  1. ZeonStar

    ZeonStar Guest

    Hey all

    Hope I am posting this in the right section and hope I can get som
    feedback. I'm not even sure if this is a windows problem, but it is
    good place to start

    See my system info for my system specs but the main point of this pos
    is regarding my RAM. This system is the first time I've had 4 GBs o
    ram, and also the first time I'm using a 64-bit OS

    My problem relates to the programs of the Adobe CS3 (That's CS3 and no
    CS4). I've been doing alot of editing in Premiere Pro, which itsel
    isn't the problem. MY project in PPro is fairly complex, but only abou
    20 minutes long and nothing out of the oridinary. The problem begin
    when I open up any other app to do some related work, like Afte
    Effects, my RAM fills up very quickly and I can't understand why. I loo
    at my Sidebar RAM indicator and it shows I'm using nearly all 4 Gigs o
    my RAM and the system performance suffers. Why is this? Often Afte
    Effects will have basically a small clip open, nothing compared to wha
    Premiere has open but just those 2 apps will be nearly maxing out m
    RAM, where as PPro alone maybe takes up 2 to 2.3GBs or so.

    By contrast when I was on XP 32bit with 2 Gigs of RAM, on the sam
    system I might add, I could have those 2 programs open, plus somethin
    like Maya, an IE instance, and so on and it wouldn't even phase th
    system

    Do I have something set wrong
     
    ZeonStar, Oct 30, 2008
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  2. ZeonStar

    barman58 Guest

    Hi Zeonstar,

    only thing I would suggest is due to the new Superfetch in vista it
    could be the new normal. Have you ever actually had a low memory
    warning? what is your RAM usage at idle? I Know that vista will "use"
    anything up to 40% of my RAM when I've nothing running except the
    system. It loads what it thinks you need next into free RAM which if
    needed It will release back to any application that requests it


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    barman58

    Regards,
    *Nigel*
    the beginning of knowledge is the discovery of something we do not
    understand.,- frank herbert
     
    barman58, Oct 30, 2008
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  3. ZeonStar

    ZeonStar Guest

    By idle you mean with like Vista loaded only right? It usually takes up
    about 1400/4000. I forget the percentage, sorry.

    No I don't actually get the Low Memory Error, which is odd. But when
    the RAM appears maxed out via my monitor sidebar, stuff is visibly
    slowing down.

    My windows pagefile is system managed and I have it on a storage drive
    that is independent of the drive windows is on and independant of the
    drive my applications are on...if that matters at all.
     
    ZeonStar, Oct 30, 2008
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  4. ZeonStar

    barman58 Guest

    Hi zeonstar

    Thinking further about this Superfetch should not be Maxing out you
    RAM if it's working correctly. Are you running the CS2 applications i
    compatibility mode for XP SP2 as I think there have been a few problem
    with their vista compatibility.
    as for the swap file the best thing is to locate it as you have done a
    long as that drive is of a similar speed to your system disk

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    barman5

    Regards,
    *Nigel*
    the beginning of knowledge is the discovery of something we do no
    understand.,- frank herbert
     
    barman58, Oct 30, 2008
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  5. ZeonStar

    ZeonStar Guest

    I have 3 physical drives (with many partitions but they are all 7200 RPM
    standard Fare.

    I'm using CS3, nor 2. I got CS3 right around the time I got Vista. I
    don't think I ever even tried CS2 with Vista. But No I've not actually
    tried the compatibility mode. I just right click the exe and choose
    compatibility mode correct? I don't think I've ever used any of Windows
    Compatibility modes in my life, in any verion of Windows. Eh!

    Thanks for that idea though. I can try when I get home.
     
    ZeonStar, Oct 30, 2008
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  6. ZeonStar

    barman58 Guest

    Sorry about the mix up with the versions :eek: as I understand it CS2
    should definitely run in compatibility mode, and CS3 sometimes needs it,
    As you say it's an easy option to trial just the right click as you say,
    so may be worth a try, and it can be reversed easily if it doesn't help.


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    barman58

    Regards,
    *Nigel*
    the beginning of knowledge is the discovery of something we do not
    understand.,- frank herbert
     
    barman58, Oct 30, 2008
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  7. ZeonStar

    ZeonStar Guest

    What about that Vista SuperFetch thing that I admit I know very littl
    about? Can/could it be disabled

    Also I been considering getting more RAM because I have to admit havin
    my system maxed with 8 GB of RAM would be kind of cool (Read: I spen
    too much money.) But would my system start showing all 8 GB of THAT use
    if I was to get more Memory
     
    ZeonStar, Oct 30, 2008
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  8. ZeonStar

    barman58 Guest

    Hi ZeonStar,

    If you want to disable Superfetch have a look at Shawn's tutorial for
    step by step ..

    http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/72293-superfetch-memory-prefetcher.html

    as you are running x64 you will be able to use all the 8 Gigabytes ;)
    :D

    you could also check the Adobe site for any vista related patches -
    especially relating to x64


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    barman58

    Regards,
    *Nigel*
    the beginning of knowledge is the discovery of something we do not
    understand.,- frank herbert
     
    barman58, Oct 30, 2008
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  9. ZeonStar

    ZeonStar Guest

    What I meant was if I get 8 GBs am I going to have the same problem with
    it "Filling up" like it seems to be doing with 4 Gbs right now? Because
    I seriously doubt 2 Adobe apps are maxing out my RAM. That's what I'm
    trying to solve. I wonder if CS4 is any better...
     
    ZeonStar, Oct 30, 2008
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  10. ZeonStar

    barman58 Guest

    all I can say about CS4 is that is does have a Native 64 bit design so
    it should run well, it's a bit new at he moment so not sure if it is
    more memory efficient.


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    barman58

    Regards,
    *Nigel*
    the beginning of knowledge is the discovery of something we do not
    understand.,- frank herbert
     
    barman58, Oct 30, 2008
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  11. ZeonStar

    MilesAhead Guest

    There's also a setting via the Registry to set Superfetch to cache only
    boot files. This helps avoid very slow boots while still getting the
    benefit of not using Superfetch to cache running processes.

    Also if you have your swapfile totally managed by Windows you may be
    wasting a lot of disk accesses just resizing the swap file. Experiment
    with setting the min and max the same(avoid resizing) or just turning it
    off. As long as you're not overloading memory with too many startup
    apps you can always reset the swap strategy back to the default if
    neither works for you.
     
    MilesAhead, Oct 30, 2008
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  12. ZeonStar

    Victek Guest

    Also if you have your swapfile totally managed by Windows you may be
    I would agree with setting the paging file to a fixed size, as long is it's
    at least twice the Vista recommended amount. However, everything I've ever
    read says never turn off virtual memory since applications often ask for
    much more memory then they use and Windows needs to map that memory
    somewhere.
     
    Victek, Oct 31, 2008
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  13. ZeonStar

    MilesAhead Guest

    Instead of going by what you read, try trying something yourself
     
    MilesAhead, Oct 31, 2008
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  14. ZeonStar

    Mick Murphy Guest

    Change your nick to "MilesBehind", you CLOWN.
    If the swap file is turned off, problems WILL occur.
    "Out of memory" error comes to mind. You are a
    FOOL!
     
    Mick Murphy, Oct 31, 2008
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  15. ZeonStar

    Mick Murphy Guest

    That is just a dirty, mongrel DOG that is spoofing me here.
    It's too gutless to post in its own name!
     
    Mick Murphy, Oct 31, 2008
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  16. ZeonStar

    Mick Murphy Guest

    And you are a SPOOFER, besides being an abusive FOOL.
    You little GERM.
     
    Mick Murphy, Oct 31, 2008
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  17. ZeonStar

    ZeonStar Guest

    I'll try a few of these ideas tonight, thanks for the tips. I stoppe
    getting notifications last night on this topic, and was surprised to se
    all these new ones. I do have my swap set to system managed so I will b
    trying to change that first and maybe limiting super fetch might not b
    a bad idea
     
    ZeonStar, Oct 31, 2008
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  18. ZeonStar

    Mark H Guest

    In 32-bit windows, After Effects is designed to use a maximum of 3GB of
    memory, total.

    On 64-bit windows, After Effects is designed to use 3.5GB per processor!
    This could easily put you into page file territory and diminish processing
    speeds if you don't have enough memory installed.

    Next, CS3 is a 32-bit application. That means it must be emulated to work in
    a 64-bit environment. This doesn't mean much for most applications, but
    memory intensive programs will have a higher amount of overhead.

    When you ran CS3 on the 32-bit machine, processes were limited to 2GB
    (Actual use about 1.6GB.) On the 64-bit machine, things change! Images
    immediately increase to a 3GB limit. (Think undo history...) Because of
    this, it is recommended you have 6-8GB for CS3 on 64-bit machines.

    Most of these limits can be adjusted within CS3 back to something that
    doesn't fill up all your available memory or cause pagefile operations, but
    if you have the money, install more memory. You'll be a lot happier.
     
    Mark H, Oct 31, 2008
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  19. ZeonStar

    ZeonStar Guest

    Thank you Mark, that really helps me understand alot more than is going
    on. I thought maybe this whole thing was "Just me" but clearly there is
    more going on behind the scenes.

    I use Premiere more than After Effects, but I imagine your desciption
    is the same for either. It's interesting when I load a CS3 app is
    usually says like "2% of 4.0 GB of memory used" and my first thought is
    "Yeah right."

    How can I adjust CS3 like you mentioned at the end of your post? I can
    get some more RAM in a few weeks but in the meantime would like to tweak
    things the best I can. If I had 6-8 Gigs of RAM would CS4 be better
    about managing it? I'd hate to have just Premiere loaded and all of a
    sudden my 8 GBs of RAM is full.

    Also if I do get more RAM, which it then be best to have Superfetch
    left normal?
     
    ZeonStar, Oct 31, 2008
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  20. ZeonStar

    Mark H Guest

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